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   / Safe Haven, if possible without... #61  
Income Property in California has been a good inflation hedge and the property can be fully insured against loss...

Seems like it is the best of both... income and inflation hedge.
 
   / Safe Haven, if possible without... #62  
I paid off the ranch in 2008 and didn't retire until 2014. In the interim, I just added the mortgage payments to retirement savings, so socked $2500/month into the mattress for 7 years. It resulted in over $200k in additional contributions, which is a nice little pillow. I also figured out the "sell high" part of "buy low, sell high." When gas prices bumped over $4/gallon I knew it would suck the blood out of the economy, so I moved everything to cash, then bought back in after the market had lost 50%. Sell when everybody is clapping each other on the back, buy when everybody is jumping out of windows. Don't get greedy. If you have gotten rich in the stock market, be satisfied with rich.
 
   / Safe Haven, if possible without... #63  
Curley Dave you are right in your approach. Or we are both wrong. Something I look at when rebalancing is the 52 week high/low price. If a fund is near it's 52 week high I am inclined to reduce my investment. And when I reduce that one I am looking for a fund near it's 52 week low to buy into.

One thing I liked about J.P.Morgan's site over Fidelity's, as a matter of fact the only thing, is that there was a page where you could see what percentage of your investment was in each fund you owned and a box to put the percentage you wanted in each fund. Then one click and it is all rebalanced. I have been unable to find anything similar on the Fidelity site though I haven't looked that hard.

My one exception to the 52-week high/low rebalance is a Biotechnology Fund I have. There are several of these available. I started big on that one and let it keep climbing by not pulling anything out for five years. I also put the little outside money going into the IRA into it. It has lost a bunch this year but over the past five it has kept me way, way, way ahead of the game.

Fidelity also has the best retirement planning guide I have looked at and I looked at everything available before I retired. Just go to the Fidelity site and look and you will find it.

When I decided to retire I spent months making and saving spreadsheets. I figured every way possible as to how I could make it work without us running out of money. My wife was more level headed about it. "If we run out of money you can get a minimum wage job and we can buy beans and rice." That was her take on the deal. So I called an accountant that we know and made an appointment with him. I printed out something like twenty or thirty spreadsheets with all these different scenarios carried out until we were both 100 years old. We walked into his office and I placed the papers on his desk and he asked what they were. After I explained the man looked at a couple of the sheets then started laughing. Said he knew we would make it okay without looking at the sheets. Said most people came in and didn't know how much was in their 401Ks or how much they would draw in a pension or how much their Social Security would be. Said if I had it figured with twelve different stock market scenarios and that he was confident we would be okay without even looking.

One other thing then I've got to go. Our IRA money is less than a quarter or what we get a month. Wife and I both have pensions. I started drawing Social Security in April. After the first of the year when all Christmas bills are paid I intend to half my IRA withdrawal. And she has another untouched smaller 401K we can tap if we need to. I would not invest ALL my finances in the stock market.

I retired in 2011 at age 57 minus 5 days. I have drawn $2000/month before taxes since then from the IRA I rolled my 401K into. I have also pulled money out for various things because we want to enjoy the "fruits of our labors" now instead of when we are in our eighties and can't enjoy them. The fund is now down to about 60% of the original total due to the lump sums we have pulled out. I'm going to try and build it up to leave for our daughters and the wife's smaller one will be split among the four grandkids.

Just don't tell them that.

RSKY
 
   / Safe Haven, if possible without... #65  
Income Property in California has been a good inflation hedge and the property can be fully insured against loss...

Seems like it is the best of both... income and inflation hedge.
People can do what they like with their money, but this doesn't seem like a good approach. It may have worked/be working for you now, but it's coming with significant risk. You are talking about only being invested in one very narrow sector. Not realistate, but realistate in California, but not just realistate in California, but income property in california. Should I venture that it's also only in a somewhat small area of California. Lack of diversification can result if a very sizeable risk. Remember what EVERY finacial add says at the bottom. Past performance is not an indicator of future performance.

I know I'd be more nervous if more than 10% of my investments were in one boat. Most advisors warn about 5% being too much in one boat. Maybe you believe you're not so narrow and that you could consider your income properties 3-4 boats. Then more than 20% would be scary for me. I hope it works out for you.
 
   / Safe Haven, if possible without... #66  
Having to jump in here.

I just went through the monthly portfolio view and adjustment. Mine consists of the following assets equally distributed to as categories, but not via $$$ funds. They are:
Cash
IRA
401k
Real Estate
Insurance and
an Annuity

Reinvestment comes out of cash and goes into the IRA which has an aggressive growth portfolio. The IRA has an open Cash holding, which allows me to redistribute within it accordingly.
The 401k gets funding when I am employed.
Real Estate and Insurance are deadlocked and are to be used if I check off the planet.
The Annuity is my safe haven equal and probably growing in value that will shortly exceed a pension that I dropped out of.

I hope to double my monies in the IRS within the next 5 years. If the 401k does 5-10 Percent, I am a happy camper.

Full retirement, meaning I just drool and collect required distributions is less than 10 years out.

I hope to recoup my current income, that was the plan through this distribution and whatever SS is available.

I never thought any one thing was "safe" in investing.
 
   / Safe Haven, if possible without... #67  
People can do what they like with their money, but this doesn't seem like a good approach. It may have worked/be working for you now, but it's coming with significant risk. You are talking about only being invested in one very narrow sector. Not realistate, but realistate in California, but not just realistate in California, but income property in california. Should I venture that it's also only in a somewhat small area of California. Lack of diversification can result if a very sizeable risk. Remember what EVERY finacial add says at the bottom. Past performance is not an indicator of future performance.

I know I'd be more nervous if more than 10% of my investments were in one boat. Most advisors warn about 5% being too much in one boat. Maybe you believe you're not so narrow and that you could consider your income properties 3-4 boats. Then more than 20% would be scary for me. I hope it works out for you.

You would be correct in that I am heavy on Income Property... about 80% which includes property in 21 States but when I write it is mostly about my Residential Property in the SF Bay Area and the company I started 35 years ago.

I realize 35 years isn't long in the scheme of things but I have never had a bad year or a year not going to plan... and this would include when some property dropped 50 to 80% 2009-12... the reason I say I was OK is because I kept fully occupied and rents increased...

Over the years I have been able to exchange and grow through diversification into commercial and hospitality in 21 States covering a wide diversity for the Sector ranging from Shopping Centers, Hotels, R&D, Public Storage and even a US Post Office all traceable to a single family home I bought at age 22 which became my first rental.

My car hobby is just that but has also performed well... never sold a car for a loss and some have proved very lucrative with a collection of 50 ranging from a 1905 Oldsmobile to early Corvettes...

Of course property is subject to loss but both cars and real estate are easily insured...

I admire those that have done well in the markets... several of my friends have done so and also avoided the downturn by selling early and then buying back when everything was in the bargain basement as he says... one told me he admired my investment approach but residential rentals are just too much work compared to managing a Wall Street investment portfolio...

My first after school and summer Real Job started at age 12 working a parts counter and stocking shelves for a restoration business... no family connection or help getting the job...

Working there put me in a place with a lot of well to do individuals more than willing to give advice to the "Kid" Almost across the board they all said Real Estate and the sooner the better... some had large construction companies, others were Judges or Doctors and most had built businesses... all said their Real Wealth came through Real Estate and this is how I came to buy my first property at age 22 much to the chagrin of my family... but at 22 I was a home owner with no mortgage and within a year it was my first rental...

I paid 11,500, my family thought I had lost my mind putting every penny I had and selling my car to pay cash for it... my step-grandfather said I was so proud he didn't have the heart to tell me he really thought I had lost my life savings down a rathole...

It's has been rented continuously for the last 35 years and started my path in investing... the home clears more in a year than I paid for it...

That green plymouth valiant is the $800 car I drove every day for 20+ years... still own it and probably always will... hauled many loads with the home made dump trailer attaced.
 

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   / Safe Haven, if possible without... #68  
I have zero problem letting money ride in the market with a very aggresive profile, but I do have a hard time with the mortgage. I completely understand the low interest loan of today's mortgage rates, but it's tough for me to not stive to pay it off in a few years. That is one point that Edelman gives that's tough for me to swallow. I'm doing everything else right, so I'm not going to go and take out a huge mortgage just to put the money in the market. For all the excellent points that have been made here, I haven't heard the one that should stand true.

Investing should be boring! If it's not boring, you're likely not focusing long-term and you will let your emotions make HORRIBLE mistakes. Remember that the majority of the upturn in the market occurs in just a few days. If you EVER think you can or should try to time a market, you're a fool. You should believe in your plan and follow it. I track once a quarter and even then, I don't care about ups and downs. I only need to look for rebalancing opportunities which are part of the plan. Sell things that have done well and buy things that have done poorly. If you don't understand this, you should either pick up some good books or find a trusted fiduciary.

How missing out on 25 days in the stock market over 45 years costs you dearly - MarketWatch
What痴 the worst part about saving for retirement? Retirement Rocket Science

You're right never ever borrow to invest. You're way ahead to pay off any debts first. Never ever invest with money that you can't afford to lose and never invest with money that you owe or will owe in taxes. Back when the tech bubble popped I saw a lot of people make that mistake and it ruined them. It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end. Not being over leveraged and having some patience along with realistic goals will generally yield rewards. Same thing happens when you get involved with short selling. Shorting is a very very risky proposition. Even the so called full time experts often lose their shirts shorting stocks. A general rule don't go jumping on any bandwagons either because if it was easy anyone can do it and everyone simply can't.
 
   / Safe Haven, if possible without... #69  
Income Property in California has been a good inflation hedge and the property can be fully insured against loss...

Seems like it is the best of both... income and inflation hedge.
I've seen a lot of people lose big doing that too. When the housing bubble popped in 2008 and that was not long ago. Here again patience along with fundamental financial strength are your friends.
 
   / Safe Haven, if possible without... #70  
I paid off the ranch in 2008 and didn't retire until 2014. In the interim, I just added the mortgage payments to retirement savings, so socked $2500/month into the mattress for 7 years. It resulted in over $200k in additional contributions, which is a nice little pillow. I also figured out the "sell high" part of "buy low, sell high." When gas prices bumped over $4/gallon I knew it would suck the blood out of the economy, so I moved everything to cash, then bought back in after the market had lost 50%. Sell when everybody is clapping each other on the back, buy when everybody is jumping out of windows. Don't get greedy. If you have gotten rich in the stock market, be satisfied with rich.

This is known as being a market contrarian and is when basic financial strength really pays off by allowing you to be in a position to scoop up some real bargains.
 

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