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   / Safe Haven, if possible without... #71  
I've seen a lot of people lose big doing that too. When the housing bubble popped in 2008 and that was not long ago. Here again patience along with fundamental financial strength are your friends.

It would seem hard to lose if you buy right and the property cash flows...

My plan was simple... buy a distressed property I could afford, move in and renovate... when complete place a first mortgage on the place with payment the rent could easily cover, move and repeat... did this for 10 years moving about every 18 months... mostly Oakland but also Pleasant Hill, Castro Valley and Pittsburg...

If you buy right your equity should start from day one.

I did exchange out of some property in 2005-2007 because the courtesy clerk at my local Safeway had just bought 4 homes with no income verification or qualifying... nice kid but he was buying a home every 6 months with teaser rates which were unsustainable to me... when the rates reset and no equity, all were lost... still trying to get back on his feet 6 years later...

The property I sold was used to exchange into a post office with a long term lease and other commercial in Washington and even Oklahoma...

The biggest downside to income property the way I do it is it is still a job...

One of my dear friends who passed away at age 97 and widow most of her life owned a Queen Anne in Alameda that she and her husband added two basement units during WWII... she owned her home outright and just having the income from those two units assured her 40 years of comfortable retirement... in other words money didn't keep her from doing the things she wanted...
 
   / Safe Haven, if possible without... #72  
It would seem hard to lose if you buy right and the property cash flows...

My plan was simple... buy a distressed property I could afford, move in and renovate... when complete place a first mortgage on the place, move and repeat... did this for 10 years moving about every 18 months... mostly Oakland but also Pleasant Hill, Castro Valley and Pittsburg...

If you buy right your equity should start from day one.

I did exchange out of some property in 2005-2007 because the courtesy clerk at my local Safeway had just bought 4 homes with no income verification and qualifying... nice kid but he was buying a home every 6 months with teaser rates which was unstainable to me... when the rates reset and no equity all were lost... still trying to get back on his feet 6 years later...

The property I sold was used to buy a post office with a long term lease and other commercial in Washington and even Oklahoma...

You're putting sweat equity into it so that helps a lot just as long as there are normal market conditions and things don't get crazy stupid like they did pre 2008. That was an artificial bubble that anyone with any common sense could see coming a mile off. When they started throwing up all those cracker boxes all over the place and giving anyone with a pulse a mortgage I knew something was off. Trouble is with stuff like this when the correction comes it takes the good along with the bad. Same sort of thing happened when the tech bubble popped. Common sense goes a long way toward having a successful investment strategy.
 
   / Safe Haven, if possible without... #73  
The best "Safe Haven".....work for an income as long as possible.....enjoy what you do as an occupation....

I worked till 74 when wife's cancer demanded my full time and was laid off (with many others) anyway. Took SS at 65....don't understand Supplemental Health Insurance or no risk investing and don't worry much about it. "Lady Luck" and good sense with good health has served me well. Am 84 now and happy....spend some time physically helping others and thinking/praying about eternal salvation for myself and others.

Plus, having lived a rather simple life without dreams of playing out my life in retirement has kept me in a lifestyle that I (We) was accustomed.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Mike
 
   / Safe Haven, if possible without... #74  
Yep... when everyone and their mother jumped on the Real Estate Band Wagon I sold the properties I no longer wanted to own and exchanged into out of state commercial.

I had paid 15k for a little house in Oakland in 1985 and sold it for 255k in 2005 and it sold again in 2007 for 350k and and in 2009 the Bank sold it for 80k... in 2016 my guess is it is a 400k property?

The interesting twist is the rents never dropped... in fact as the turmoil increased, rents increased and there was a real shortage of rentals.

I realize not everywhere is comparable to the SF Bay Area and this is why what works for one may not work elsewhere.
 
   / Safe Haven, if possible without... #75  
Lots of good advise here, but more valuable is the experience being shared. I've done OK, but mostly by luck because when I was coming up there was no Internet and very few books were available that explained how money worked. That's not the case today, and in fact there is so much info out there it's hard to know what to believe. But here's what's worked for me.

I worked my way through college, then changed jobs to work for an employer that would pay for me to get an advanced degree. I chose both majors in areas with good job security and good salaries. I didn't always have fun at my job, but I just figured that's why they call it work.

I've always been a saver, and always lived well within my means.

I've had car loans and mortgages, but always paid them off as fast as possible to avoid losing money to interest.

Every home I've purchased was a fixer upper. The home I live in now was purchased in 2010 near the bottom of the real estate bust. But the home I sold at the time was purchased at another market low, and with the sweat equity and overall gain in the San Francisco real estate market, I still ended up selling it for twice what it cost me. I didn't plan any of this, other than the last home purchase. Took me that long to realize what was going on: buy low, sell high.

I've always lived a conservative life style, fixing instead of replacing, cooking instead of eating out, camping instead of motelling, buying used instead of new. Financial independence is far more important to me than shiny new things or traveling the world, though I have enjoyed a little bit of both.

When I was working I put enough money into the company savings plan to get 100% of their matching contribution. Anything more I could save went into an IRA. As soon as I could I rolled as much as I could out of the company 401K into an IRA because there were more investment options available.

In '08 I listened when Jim Cramer said pull any money you'll need in the next 5 years out of the stock market and reduced my stock holdings to 25% of my portfolio. I still lost money during that correction but not nearly what I would have when, blindly following the advise of an advisor working out of our credit union, I was 100% in the stock market. I read Cramer's books and learned about the fundamentals at work in the stock market, and after trying a few years to make money with individual stocks, realized that there are just too many factors at work to reliably beat the market averages. I'm still at about 25% in the market, but now it's almost all in a low fee S&P 500 index fund. The S&P 500 index is broad enough to provide a level of diversity adequate to insulate against the vagaries inherent with individual stocks. The rest is in the money market. I don't think bonds are a safe investment in a rising interest rate economy, and with government spending about to take off again, I think inflation will become more of a factor in the future. With that in mind I'll likely increase the investment in the index fund, but not by more than 15%, and then only gradually.

I retired at age 54 in 2010, downsized my home, and moved to a lower cost of living part of California. I can pay my bills with the proceeds I get from a pension, which is actually an annuity purchased by the company I retired from after 28 years. The benefit was reduced by 33% by retiring early, but I knew what my expenses were going to be in retirement with a fair amount of confidence and figured "enough was enough".

I plan to start Social Security as soon as I'm eligible. I don't trust the gummint to keep it solvent, and figure the safe bet is to get what I can for as long as I can, and that means starting withdrawals ASAP. And when I say withdrawals I mean withdrawals: That is MY money I put into the SS system over the last 35 years. It's not an entitlement because I've earned every penny of it. Besides, I want the extra income NOW while I'm still healthy enough to enjoy it.

I don't take regular draws from my savings, instead choosing to take them when the portfolio is up and I have a specific need. Just yesterday I pruned back some of the remaining individual stock holdings, taking profits and rolling them back into the S&P index fund. Next year I'll pull some of that money back out and build a shop and barn for the tractor.

The current issue of Consumer Reports magazine has a large article devoted to retirement planning, and more importantly to folks like me, how to manage money while in retirement. Most of what I've read so far makes a lot of sense, and I'm glad to see I'm already following most of the recommendations. The article also said that new laws are requiring most financial advisors to behave like fiduciaries in that they have to put the best interests of their clients first. That's not to say you shouldn't check the background of anyone you're planning to use for financial advise, but it does improve the odds you'll find someone that won't take you for a ride.

I don't claim to be any sort of financial genius, and I've had a fair amount of luck to help me along the way. But I learned early on that no one cares as much about my financial welfare as I do, and tried to learn as much as I could about financial decisions before I had to make them. That still meant a fair amount of trial and error, but by taking small steps with new directions the errors were manageable and I learned more than I lost from them. Everybody's different and what worked for me may not be right for you. But by keeping your head in the game and getting good advise from reliable sources, I think you can still come out ahead.
 
   / Safe Haven, if possible without... #76  
Thanks for sharing...

Outside of Health... lifestyle is the determining factor.

We all know people that live pay check to pay check and that wouldn't change no matter how much they earn.

We also know people of very modest means that are financially sound... many of my neighbors live on Social Security and are not denied anything... they have no debt and property taxes on a million dollar home might be $2500...

Always think of my neighbor one house up who turned 100 this year... she bought one new car in her life... it was in 1964 and 260 V8 mustang... it has been her only car for 50+ years and a joy to her... people can be happy driving a 50 year old car and living on Social Security of $2300 and comfortable in a home pushing a million dollars!

Her hobby is gardening and what a beautiful job she does...
 
   / Safe Haven, if possible without... #77  
Yep... when everyone and their mother jumped on the Real Estate Band Wagon I sold the properties I no longer wanted to own and exchanged into out of state commercial.

I had paid 15k for a little house in Oakland in 1985 and sold it for 255k in 2005 and it sold again in 2007 for 350k and and in 2009 the Bank sold it for 80k... in 2016 my guess is it is a 400k property?

The interesting twist is the rents never dropped... in fact as the turmoil increased, rents increased and there was a real shortage of rentals.

I realize not everywhere is comparable to the SF Bay Area and this is why what works for one may not work elsewhere.

Yep one thing you can always count on is the law of supply and demand. The less there is of something the more it's worth so that's why rents went way up. There were fewer rentals as those properties became owner occupied, rather owned by the bank, then all of a sudden all of those people were booted out and dumped on the street and needed to find someplace to rent inorder to get in out of the rain. Funny when you consider there were so many bank owned properties sitting empty with no buyers in sight. Then the sudden reversal and were off to the races again. A common sense and a good sense of timing sure does help a lot.

Oh yeah don't forget to figure inflation into the picture so you can't go by just price tags alone. Inflation is the gubberments way of stealing your wealth and future wealth while trying to make you believe they are helping you. They call it all sorts of nonsensical euphemistic things like quantitative easing to compound their crime. If it sounds too good to be true then it most likely is just that.
 

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