Sanity Check - Kioti
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PEJ5
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It sounds like you have already decided.. hehe. The Kioti CK series has high resale value, especially with a backhoe, but I doubt you'll ever sell it. Due to the slope I'd eliminate the 2610. Is the 3510SE price HST or geared? The CK geared model is not fully synchronized so go with HST over SE features - both if you can.
Since you are not mowing 10 acres for hours at a time the cab is less critical and they say it"s difficult in the woods, always watching for branches that will break a $300 window. You imply a big garage is not in the cards soon so maybe the cab money could be better used to build a roofed shelter for the tractor.
Since you are not mowing 10 acres for hours at a time the cab is less critical and they say it"s difficult in the woods, always watching for branches that will break a $300 window. You imply a big garage is not in the cards soon so maybe the cab money could be better used to build a roofed shelter for the tractor.
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Who knows? I'm pleasantly surprised that you can buy a new compact TLB for that close to the price of a new compact ag tractor with attachments. So that's a positive both ways ......
On resale of one versus the other, we know that the B26 seems to keep a high percentage of value, being a popular model that has been produced for over a decade. There are lots of them out there, and a lot has been written on them in TBN. So it's a known product with a known resale. The Kioti is newer so not as much info - but there should be some. I personally like the Kiotis I've seen and think the brand has a good future; I wish they made a TLB type. On the other hand, the Kubota does, and it is proven now.
I'm guessing you already know how to compare the used value of tractors online. Perhaps you've already done so. If so, what did you find? I'm curious.
Alternately you could start a thread asking that same question on the Kioti and/or Kubota forums right here on TBN. You might as well use the forum format to its max. If one person has a question there are a number of people who have thought about similar things.
Opinions being cheaper than experience, none of the above is going to tell you nearly as much as simply renting one of something for a weekend will do.
Renting is cheap education AND you get to see how it will actually do at your intended job. And as a bonus, some of the job gets done while you are playing.
For example, I found out that for one job I really liked a cab, but another job that same afternoon required constantly getting on and off the tractor in close quarters & the cab was a detriment. That caused me me enough to think things through differently and would ultimately change my mind about what to buy. My wife's insight came in handy too.
rScotty
I quoted the 2510 and 3510. 3510 comes with a factory cab with heat and AC. The 2510 can be ordered with a factory cab but is dealer installed. When I quoted tractors I had a cab, front blower and loader. 2510 was 26k, 3510 was 32k, the comparable Kubota 2650 was 32 locally, all without taxes.
Keep in mind the 2510 even with cab was heat only no AC 3510 had both.
TBH that back hoe attachment is pricey, if I were buying one it would be something I would have to use all the of the time. Might be better of renting the attachment or even an EX for the weekend. Attachments are great, and all but you can usually rent them for a few hundred bucks to a thousand for a week. So for a hoe, you would have to use it for 7-8 weeks just to break even on the initial purchase.
Keep in mind the 2510 even with cab was heat only no AC 3510 had both.
TBH that back hoe attachment is pricey, if I were buying one it would be something I would have to use all the of the time. Might be better of renting the attachment or even an EX for the weekend. Attachments are great, and all but you can usually rent them for a few hundred bucks to a thousand for a week. So for a hoe, you would have to use it for 7-8 weeks just to break even on the initial purchase.
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Look into the permitting requirements for that retaining wall. It may need to be engineered and have a foundation. In that case you should leave the excavation to pros.
If you have just the one big retaining wall job it's probably better to just hire it done. The contractor will have bigger equipement than you'd be buying. And they'll have years of experience on that equipement. I just got a backhoe for my tractor and even though I am mechanically inclined it's not easy to operate. You'll be a lot slower and less accurate than someone who has been doing it 8 hours a day for years.
If you have just the one big retaining wall job it's probably better to just hire it done. The contractor will have bigger equipement than you'd be buying. And they'll have years of experience on that equipement. I just got a backhoe for my tractor and even though I am mechanically inclined it's not easy to operate. You'll be a lot slower and less accurate than someone who has been doing it 8 hours a day for years.
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resale by what measure?
If both lose 50% you lose more on the kubota. (18250 vs 14,800)
If the kubota has 20% higher resale value (unlikely IMO that it would be that much) then on the kioti you lose 14,800 and kubota you'd lose 14,600 - a wash really.
And you'd have more money tied up now for hte kubota - higher payment, more credit used up, etc.
Good point I always get a chuckle on the resale portion, while its a consideration its a smoke and mirrors sales tactic. Like you said you can pay 30% more for brand X then brand Y, but brand X will only bring you 20% upon resale so you lost 10%. End of the day paint color may add to sell-ability which is worth something, but sell-ability and resale value are two different things. If you look at 5-10-15 years down the road at selling, sell-ability could be different but dont think youll be selling brand x for any more than brand y and least in comparing it to relative purchase price.
Another thing is people get to wrapped up into re-sale for a home purchase or private use, unless your running a business where depreciation, equipment maint, assets all play a part. For private use its way over thinking. While nobody wants to buy a 30k machine and have it worth 5k in two years, but in reality it doesn't matter. You buy that 30k machine, you ran it you maintained it, those are all sunk cost that you will never get back, you just wont. Its not going to matter 10 years down the line that you got 2k more in resale with one brand vs the next, as you lost money on it anyways, but even that doesnt matter as you bought machine to accomplish a task and it did it.
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