RobertN
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Oh, come on Eddie! You are a United States Marine. I expect you to shoot sub-MOA like the rest of my Marine buddies. 
Scope problem
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RobertN
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I have handloaded 150 gr Speer spire points in 308 and 30-06. They shot pretty well, with minimal load work. I also shoot 300 Savage, the cartridge 308 is based on. It shoots very accurately(1-1.5" from a lightweight sport barrel in a Mdl-99 lever action) with off the shelf 150gr loads.
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Uh -sorry but close range shooting does go a long way to proving the accuracy of a rifle. It reduces a number of variables introduced in long range shooting. If you cannot get the rifle to group at short distances it certainly will not group at long distances.
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N80
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Scotty, my gun vice is a piece of junk. Good for boresighting, mounting scopes and that's about it.
Eddie, I generally consider myself to be a nearly average shot at best. But, with a decent bench rest, good hearing protection and a folded towel as a sissy bag I can shoot groups that are less than 2" at 100' with most of my guns....with the cheapest Remington ammo I can find. When shooting off-hand at game, I rarely miss....but again, we're talking way less than 100' most of the time and carefully selected shots......although, the last coyote and last 3 pigs were snap shots.....one of the pigs was a running shot....okay, so maybe I consider myself and average shot.
ANYWAY....the Remington Model 7 .308 (which my daughter considers to be highly accurate and which I have now ruined...see OP for details) saga continues. The gun is driving me NUTS.
To refresh.....I took it out of the synthetic stock and put it in the original wood stock. Put the 4x Zeiss back on it. Tight 3 shot group at 25', about 1.5" high dead center. Let it cool for a long time. Next two shots at 100' are about 8" high. Let it cool (temp is about 35 so it cools quickly). Adjust elevation to shoot dead on and you can see the results below:
Shot number 3, which came immediately after adjusting elevation is right in the bulls eye. I am elated. Let the gun cool a long time again. Next two shots are way high and almost touching! What the heck?!?!? At that point I was so frustrated I packed it up. Not sure what to do next. I think I will put that same target back up and shoot two more times. If they group with the two high shots (4&5) I will adjust downward and consider problems solved. If they hit anywhere else I'm done for good with this gun.
Eddie, I generally consider myself to be a nearly average shot at best. But, with a decent bench rest, good hearing protection and a folded towel as a sissy bag I can shoot groups that are less than 2" at 100' with most of my guns....with the cheapest Remington ammo I can find. When shooting off-hand at game, I rarely miss....but again, we're talking way less than 100' most of the time and carefully selected shots......although, the last coyote and last 3 pigs were snap shots.....one of the pigs was a running shot....okay, so maybe I consider myself and average shot.
ANYWAY....the Remington Model 7 .308 (which my daughter considers to be highly accurate and which I have now ruined...see OP for details) saga continues. The gun is driving me NUTS.
To refresh.....I took it out of the synthetic stock and put it in the original wood stock. Put the 4x Zeiss back on it. Tight 3 shot group at 25', about 1.5" high dead center. Let it cool for a long time. Next two shots at 100' are about 8" high. Let it cool (temp is about 35 so it cools quickly). Adjust elevation to shoot dead on and you can see the results below:
Shot number 3, which came immediately after adjusting elevation is right in the bulls eye. I am elated. Let the gun cool a long time again. Next two shots are way high and almost touching! What the heck?!?!? At that point I was so frustrated I packed it up. Not sure what to do next. I think I will put that same target back up and shoot two more times. If they group with the two high shots (4&5) I will adjust downward and consider problems solved. If they hit anywhere else I'm done for good with this gun.
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RobertBrown
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I'll give you 60$ for it.
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N80
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You're getting closer than you might think.....although my son just got home for Christmas and I told him all about this and even though he rarely hunts anymore he indicated that he did not want me to get rid of the gun he killed his first deer with. It might have to live out its day as a closet queen or wall hanger.
RobertN
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If it is that sentimental to the kids, I would take it to a gunsmith.
Have it checked out, but put a limit on it. Within an hour, a smith should have a good idea what is wrong. At that point, they'll either have it fixed, or be able to tell you how much it will cost.
That's counting on a local smith though; there are 4 or 5 within 30-45 minutes of me.
Have it checked out, but put a limit on it. Within an hour, a smith should have a good idea what is wrong. At that point, they'll either have it fixed, or be able to tell you how much it will cost.
That's counting on a local smith though; there are 4 or 5 within 30-45 minutes of me.
charlz
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Are you sure you are doing a good job mounting the scopes and that they are not under any stress by not sitting perfectly in the rings?
EddieWalker
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George,
Did you post the same picture of your target four times? each time at a different angle?
The three shots show that the rifle might not be the problem. They group is straight up and down. that says a lot.
You need to do it again and shoot more rounds to see if you are climbing. If your windage stays as good as it is in your picture, then it's it's looking like breathing on your part. If your bullets wonder all over the target, then it's the scope, the ammor or the rifle. Right now, I think it's you.
Eddie
Did you post the same picture of your target four times? each time at a different angle?
The three shots show that the rifle might not be the problem. They group is straight up and down. that says a lot.
You need to do it again and shoot more rounds to see if you are climbing. If your windage stays as good as it is in your picture, then it's it's looking like breathing on your part. If your bullets wonder all over the target, then it's the scope, the ammor or the rifle. Right now, I think it's you.
Eddie
