SCUT owners looking for PTO driven leaf vacs

   / SCUT owners looking for PTO driven leaf vacs
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#41  
radioman,
My RFM is a rear discharge although I've never seen anything come shooting out of the back. The cut grass just kind of lays there after having been cut. Love your idea (I think), just want to wait for Harry's leaf vac and take my chances with it. :) :) :)

MissouriThunder
 
   / SCUT owners looking for PTO driven leaf vacs #42  
I am anxious to see what Harry comes up with too. The whole leaf thing is a big deal with me, and the OEM grass collector for the BX series looks cumbersome, and small for that chore. I will be picking up hundreds of bushels before I'm done with this set up on my Legacy, and it is a lot of trips to the pile, but not much work.
 

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#43  
ChuckinNH,
Your photo speaks a thousand words. I spoke with Harry this morning and his version is completely different than yours. Harry's version has a one hopper unit and when filled with debris you simply reach back and open a door on the back or bottom (can't remember which) to download the debris. No getting off the seat to manually unload your catch. This is what appeals to me most. However, he did say that he's running into problems with a sub contractor for parts so he may have to fabricate his own. Sets him back a month or two but I'll continue to wait for his version. Looks like you have just as many trees in New Hampshire as we do here in Missouri.

MissouriThunder
 
   / SCUT owners looking for PTO driven leaf vacs #44  
That all depends a bit on the weather. If it is really wet, things can get soggy, and it then helps a lot to turn it, and get some air into it. The idea is to keep it hot inside so that it breaks down quickly. When I'm on the ball, I turn it every couple of weeks in the summer, and can have finished compost before the summer is over, our "summer" is three months, or so. In the fall when I'm getting ready to collect the leaves, I let the grass grow a bit longer so I get more "greens" in the mix. They have a higher nitrogen content, and heat things up quickly. I tend to get larger quantities of material at once, but not continually so that is why you see the three piles there. All are in different stages of decomposition. I have a small pile of very fine finished compost that I use around flowers, and small seeds, etc. This fall, I put the large pile that was left all on one garden. It wasn't quite finished, but I know that being tilled into the soil over the winter will fiinish the job, and it will be nice in the spring. It was steaming pretty good when I used the loader to move it to the garden. When I got the timing on turning right, and had some help from the winter, I've seen the piles steaming through the snow. It gets really cold here sometimes in the winter ( I've seen -35 degrees several times in my life) so the piles don't do much then, but you won't have that problem, and should be able to make compost year round. You can buy a compost thermometer with a long probe to monitor the interior temperature of the piles, but I never have.

If the piles don't seem to heat up at all (unlikely) they are probably too wet, too dry, or just don't have any "greens" at all in them. With a little trial, and error, you will figure it out quickly, and it will be great fun with your tractor! Higher, deeper piles work better than low, wide ones. That is one of the things that frequent turning helps with since things like leaves settle quickly, and get matted.

Chuck this a TERRIFIC description of the organic process for MT and anyone who's interested.

If I may, here a few more tips and observations from years of experimenting and doing this (the hard way, without a FEL... yet LOL):

1) Indeed, if you ever get too busy to touch that pile, no worries mate. Mother Nature (MN) is a master at doing the work all by herself. Depending on the location, temps, etc. within 8-12 months you will get a pile of black gold anyway under those few first inches. So what's to lose, right?

2) Don't put expensive herbicides or other poisons on those weeds, they make the best mulch! Why? Because among many other reasons all that vitality and strength they exhibit in taking over your yard and garden transforms into the best organic fertilizer! Just pull/cut and compost them before they ever start seeding (but that usually takes a good long while anyway.)

3) That pile can get really hot inside, up to 120-140 degrees.

4) Spring is a great time to start your piles but Fall is my favorite because if you mow this time of year, in many instances MN will have given you the IDEAL "premix" of leaves and green matter. Just dump from your bags or hopper into a great big pile and by March you'll have awesome black gold. Of course, as Chuck mentioned if you have a loader you can speed up the process greatly at ANY time of the year.

5) Spread 2-4 inches of finished compost or 3-6 inches of partially done compost around fragile plants, trees, etc. by the end of November. This will beat any of that expensive "mulch" by a mile in terms of both protection against frost and preparation for the following Spring.

6) Veggies, trees and flowers grown with lots of compost are FAR more disease-resistant than without (MN at work again!) I've observed that many, many times. They also give you the HUGE added benefit of knowing that you can pick anything and put it into your mouth or on the family table without worrying about the hundreds of toxic compounds which our food industry is not required to inform us about (unlike in most other "advanced" countries.)

7) Never worry about that clump of dirt that is around the root ball of any weed you pull. To the contrary, you want it in the pile, because it contains thousands of beneficial bacteria and micro-organisms that are essential in making and "balancing" your compost. Also, always sprinkle a few handfuls of already done compost over each cubic yard or so of new compost. They will eventually "seed" that new pile with "parent" beneficial bacteria and micro-organisms.

8) Likewise, put any new pile right next to the old one as thousands of earthworms will work their way into it once the heat has dialed down inside the pile ((look at Chuck's photos for a great illustration of this.)

9) I greatly increase yield AND save several hundred dollars for our family each year by making our own black gold.

Hope this helps.
 
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#45  
orgt,
Wow. You seem very knowledgeable about compost and I thank you for the input. I can't believe you do this entire process without an FEL (unless of course you have a young and strong back to do it manually). I'm looking forward to this challenge but only with my FEL and a leaf vac to get everything into one spot.

bp flick also spoke of staying organic and to stay away from the chemicals (funny that I'm a CHEMO in the Army and agree with both of you). This should be interesting. Thanks for sharing.

MissouriThunder
 
   / SCUT owners looking for PTO driven leaf vacs #46  
ORGT, Thanks for the added input! I certainly agree with all you have mentioned. The piles in my pictures are gone now, on the gardens for the winter, and my winter rye is coming up well. New piles are started with the fall's leaves, and grass clippings. They will be hot inside before the snow comes, and will stay that way for longer than I thought they would when I started doing this. Yes, a half hour to 45 minutes fun with the loader translates into 7-8 hrs. of shoveling...... I verified that before shopping for another tractor when I sold my BX.
 
   / SCUT owners looking for PTO driven leaf vacs #47  
orgt,
Wow. You seem very knowledgeable about compost and I thank you for the input. I can't believe you do this entire process without an FEL (unless of course you have a young and strong back to do it manually). I'm looking forward to this challenge but only with my FEL and a leaf vac to get everything into one spot.

bp flick also spoke of staying organic and to stay away from the chemicals (funny that I'm a CHEMO in the Army and agree with both of you). This should be interesting. Thanks for sharing.

MissouriThunder

MT, so glad my post could be of help.

I have been doing this manually for years and like many things in life it has two sides. On one hand, it's terrific work to stay in shape, but this older back would testify that as we age the shoveling can get hard. And YET it's good for us, right? AAAARGH!

I really look fwd to an additional tractor with FEL (those who are into corny TBN jokes would probably chide me for not typing: "I look 4X4 to an additional tractor with FEL... LOL.) Anyhow, I will probably keep my Kubota F3060 with hydraulic hopper for mowing, it has its flaws but overall it's a great machine. I'm guessing that on those days when my back isn't acting up I will STILL grab that shovel because believe it or not, it's very satisfying work too. OK, maybe not for those 7-8 hrs Chuck mentioned, but perhaps for a couple?

And as far as staying organic, yup, it's definitely the way to go. And think about it, 100 years ago we were ALL pretty much eating "organic" and as a society we were so much healthier! Not to mention that organic foods taste SO much better...

Man, I made myself real hungry now, time to go into the garden and grab a few tomatoes, walking onions and some of that unbelievably flavorful parsley...
 
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#48  
ChuckinNH - "45 minutes fun with the loader translates into 7-8 hrs. of shoveling."

ChuckinNH,
That sums it up best.

orgt,
I paid extra for an FEL for the reasons you've mentioned. The worms gross me out a little but I'm sure I'll get used to it.

MissouriThunder
 
   / SCUT owners looking for PTO driven leaf vacs #49  
I am definitely interested.
 
   / SCUT owners looking for PTO driven leaf vacs #50  
If you have significantly more leaves than 'greens' you can also make 'leaf mold'. Basically this is just composting the leaves by themselves. It is a cold process and takes quite a while... 6 months to a year. It doesn't add nutrient to the soil the way compost does but it does add organic matter which helps the soil structure. Certain worms are attracted to the leaves which is a benefit as well.

In the fall I make a 'leaf only' pile and let it break down. By spring it has generally broken down enough for me to mulch my garlic with 4-6". I get almost no weeds and since the garlic is fairly close spaced, about 6" by6" or so, the wind doesn't blow it away. The garlic is watered using mini-sprinklers so that helps keep it wet and prevents it from blowing away as well. I sprinkle some 16-16-16 before mulching and the garlic just loves it.
 

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