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sherpa

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I been thinking about a security camera for my rural place a while now. The cameras seem to be priced right and more affordable now. I just do not have the expertise to research them and know what I want. Does anyone have a security camera that works well for them? I would like to hear about them and what you like about your camera. Which camera are best and which ones do I need to avoid.
Thanks,
Sherpa
 
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Budget and what you have for communications plays a big part here. Do you have a landline? Broadband? Wifi? Satellite?

Do you want multiple cameras, do you want a clean install, do you want remote viewing?

I just need a front door monitor and I have wifi, so I just plug a wifi IP cam into an outlet and can view from anywhere... as long as I have power and the internet is up. But no alarm functions or anything.

Mine's a WANSVIEW - same as FOSCAM and dozens of others using the same mfg. Mine's also old but works fine.
 
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No WiFi or any kind of internet. I suppose a game camera would work best for me. My garage is about 300 feet away from the main house. I really need something that works when I am away from home as we travel a lot.
Sherpa
 
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The big thing to research is the lens used on whatever you buy. Make sure it will see the distances you want to see without the use of digital zoom (digital zoom is a joke). Many folk will get a small cheap camera, mount it 20' up on the side of a building and want to see a sidewalk or path 30' away, then complain about a poor camera; when in reality the small cheap cameras are meant to be used at a range of about 15' or 20' (with an ideal range of 6'). They aren't much different from cameras that are meant to see 50' to 75', the main difference is the optics used in the lens. The price increases of better lenses and high end lens controls gets rather dramatic.

Second thing to research is the final resolution. Making sure you have the proper optics to frame and focus at the range you want to see is primary, but having a good final resolution is also key to identifying a badguy, or just having a general description such as the color of clothes the badguy had on. Old analog systems started out at 480x240 and go up to about 800x600. Digital systems start at about 640x480, and they go up to full HD resolution of 1920x1080. It won't be long before digitals start showing up in the 4k HD range (4096x2160). Higher is better, and slightly more expensive. The key thing that increases expense on higher resolution cameras is video storage. If you have a camera that captures thirty 1920x1080 images every second, it requires a vast amount of storage to record and have much recording time. A couple HD IP cameras can eat a large hard drive up in a day or two... Recording only when motion is detected is a good way to not waste space.

Researching these two items should narrow down the field of available units significantly. I personally like Vivotek brand cameras. They aren't the cheapest nor the most widely available, but they have a powerful software package included and have a great selection of features and models to choose from. They can record to internal storage (similar to a game cam), network storage, or a dedicated computer system. There are many ways of connecting them also, many times there are existing cables that can be used, even power wires. Setup also has a bit higher learning curve than most folk prefer, it helps greatly to fully understand IP networking. I can post some sample shots from some of the Vivotek installations I've performed if you are interested in their lineup.
:disclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with Vivotek other than the fact I have shopped around to find what would serve my clients best, and they were what I came up with.
 
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Sysop,
Thanks for the great information and input. This will certaintly get me started.
sherpa
 
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Several questions:
What are you trying to protect?
How many areas need surveillance?
Do you need to be able for an alarm to be triggered?
Do you have power handy for each camera?
Is there a clear line of sight for wireless transmission?
Are the cameras going to be secure from thievery or vandalism?

And many more>>>>>>>>>
I ask all of this as we have 8 cameras in our Lorex store bought from them system. We can monitor what is going on from a smart phone, internet, or just a tv monitor. They are all wireless and some are solar powered as there is not power at those locations. Range is 900' on one but most are in the 200' or 100' range. The biggest thing is....you get what you pay for.
Recently we were 800 miles away and watched our hired hand and how he took care of our stock and place, were notified with a signal every time someone came in the electric gate, and just had peace of mind that all was OK.
We combine our security cameras with wireless monitor/alarms posted at gates and on the entries to the property....paths and roads....use livestock guard dogs in the pastures that alert on most anything and let us know and then the border collies and retired mamma guard dog take care of around the house........
You are only as safe as your preparations.........God bless..........Dennis
 
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What are you trying to protect? House and Garage, about 300-400 feet apart

How many areas need surveillance? I would say front and back of each structure (4 areas)

Do you need to be able for an alarm to be triggered? I have not decided about alarms, no one is there to hear them.

Do you have power handy for each camera? Yes, I can have power

Is there a clear line of sight for wireless transmission? Yes

Are the cameras going to be secure from thievery or vandalism? No
 
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There are game cameras that transmit to your computer or smart phone.The prices on these are coming down.A monthly cell connection is required.Spypoint,Bushnel and several others offer these.
 
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The 300-400 feet is going to be a problem. I just purchased a $500 PTZ camera with 30X zoom for a customer. It will do 300' OK, but that's about the limit.
 
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Do you need an alarm to be triggered means as I ask this: Let's say you are away from home and something triggers movement in the camera, do you want to be awakened by this at 3 am?????.............Yes, they will also set off an alarm at the home

You can easily get an extra transmit and receive antenna that boosts range. On one of our sites we have to go 900 feet from the entry gate to the receiver at the house..........God bless.....Dennis
 
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:mad: All my camera's can be set up to use this system but my only drawback is we cannot get ATT service out in the sticks where we live. If we did have ATT I would only set up two cam's for what I need. I know they used to also offer a small solar panel to use instead of batteries for the cam. Read the FAQ and Camera Compatibility will give you more info if your interested.


https://www.moultriegamemanagement.com/Home/HowItWorks
 
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ArmyPair2.
Thanks for posting.
That is some good information about the Moultrie system.
I never knew that was available.
Looks like the plan is $40-50 per month.
Sherpa
 
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I have decided against a game camera altogether, they have terrible reliance reviews.

I want cameras that run off 110 power.
I am thinking two syatems, one for the garage and one for the house since they are 300 feet apart.
I can go wireless or not.
I kinda like the DVR backup.
I want sensor activation.

I forgot to mention, I do not have any internet, cell service or smart phone service.

What's next, any more suggestions or do's or dont's?
Thanks for the input,
sherpa
 
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I suggest you build a system with IP Cameras. Foscam is a good vendor. Then Blue Iris (or similar software) running on a PC as the DVR.

You don't need an internet connection to set up a local wifi network that the cameras and the Blue Iris machine run on. The cameras have a built-in web server, you put them on the wifi network, point the machine running Blue Iris to them and it does all the DVRing. It has motion detection built into the software, which you can adjust including masking off parts of the picture (like a flag blowing in the wind) that you don't want to trigger recording.

with a distance of 300 feet it might be tough to use one BI machine for both of them over a wifi network... you might to run a CAT 6 cable, or could use two servers, any cheap computer can be the server.

You're right to not want to use game cameras. they have their purposes but this is not it. Maybe it's just the models I have, but they would never catch a car or person walking by because there is a several second delay between first detection of motion, and start of recording. I guess that's minimize false alarms filing up the SD card.
 
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Country Geek - you seem to be pretty knowledgeable on this subject, so I want to ask a question or two... I've been following this and other similar threads as I get ready to purchase a couple of IP cameras. I'm looking at the Foscams since their name seems to come up over and over. With an internet connection, can the BlueIris software also be set up to send a text/email when it detects motion and starts recording? I want something that will alert me if I'm out of town.

Can some of the Foscam cameras detect motion a couple of hundred feet away? I'd like to mount one on the shed that sits off to the side of my house. I can point the camera straight up the driveway and I think that the camera would be fairly inconspicuous mounted on the shed. I will probably go with a 2 or three outdoor cameras altogether.

Should I stick with Foscam/BlueIris for indoor monitoring as well? Or should I just put in a DropCam for when I'm out of town and unplug it when I'm home? If I use Foscam/BlueIris for an indoor camera, can it be on some sort of timer or switch so I'm not getting notified every time I walk through the living room? :)

For what it's worth, I have already invested in an outdoor wifi antenna/access point to give me coverage around the property. My thought was I would be able to use outdoor wireless cameras mounted on my shed and my detached garage. Right now I have this temporarily mounted in the ceiling of my basement but my cell phone shows that it's picking up the wireless signal in the garage approximately 150' away. I'm hoping that before the snow starts flying that I have time to move it outside to it's intended location. That should give me a strong signal to both my garage and shed. It also gives me a great signal in my living room since my wireless router is located in my basement home office.

Hopefully all of this isn't considered a hijack - I think that the questions are germane to the OP's questions.
 
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Can some of the Foscam cameras detect motion a couple of hundred feet away? I'd like to mount one on the shed that sits off to the side of my house. I can point the camera straight up the driveway and I think that the camera would be fairly inconspicuous mounted on the shed. I will probably go with a 2 or three outdoor cameras altogether.

No they cannot. Their lenses and resolution are not that precise.

There are two levels of motion detection. The cameras themselves can detect motion and email you screenshots. No Blue Iris or other monitoring software needed for that function. But they can't do it hundreds of feet away and you wouldn't want them to anyway. With the kind of sensitivity needed to detect motion hundreds of feet away, you'd get an alert for every breeze that moved the leaves in in the trees.

Then there is the Blue Iris detection. You can have the monitoring software detect the motion and record whenever there is motion. It also has a matching mobile phone app that can get alerts, though I haven't successfully made that work yet. This is a little better because not only can you adjust the sensitivity in several ways (size of moving object, color contrast) but you can also "mask off" parts of the picture where you don't want motion to cause a trigger (to avoid the fluttering leaves, tree shadows moving on a windy day, or a flapping flag triggering constant alarms).

Or you can do both types of detection... they are independently controlled. You can have the camera email you screen shots while the monitoring software makes recordings back home.

But that said, these inexpensive cameras aren't going to give you sensitivity or even a good enough picture to see and detect motion hundreds of feet away. More like 50 feet or so is about as far as you want them to be pointed for good picture and monitoring. To get the kind of range and sensitivity you're talking about, you'd need to step up to a whole other price point (like $1000+).

Should I stick with Foscam/BlueIris for indoor monitoring as well? Or should I just put in a DropCam for when I'm out of town and unplug it when I'm home? If I use Foscam/BlueIris for an indoor camera, can it be on some sort of timer or switch so I'm not getting notified every time I walk through the living room? :)

Yes Blue Iris supports monitoring schedules. I don't know what DropCam is.
 
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But that said, these inexpensive cameras aren't going to give you sensitivity or even a good enough picture to see and detect motion hundreds of feet away. More like 50 feet or so is about as far as you want them to be pointed for good picture and monitoring. To get the kind of range and sensitivity you're talking about, you'd need to step up to a whole other price point (like $1000+).
You can get a 5MP GeoVision box camera for $580ish (a GV-BX5300-6V) and a outdoor rated case for another $100ish (for a ip66 or ip67 one, less for a "weatherproof" one)...
That can record to an onboard SD card or to any Windows computer across the network.

Aaron Z
 
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Country Geek,
Thanks for the information. I did visit the Foscam Site. I want to make sure I understand fully. To build my own system, all I need is this old laptop, Blue Iris Software and a IP camera?
sherpa
 
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Country Geek,
Thanks for the information. I did visit the Foscam Site. I want to make sure I understand fully. To build my own system, all I need is this old laptop, Blue Iris Software and a IP camera?
sherpa

Yes, assuming the IP camera and the laptop are on a common network.

Another advantage of a laptop is it has a battery so stays up during short power outages. The rest of the network won't but you avoid messy unplanned reboots.

Be sure to run BlueIris as a service so it always starts when the laptop starts. Turn off automatic reboots for windows updates, as well.
 
 
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