Self Leveling Loader on L & M series tractors

[RoyKing]

My M62 has hydr self leveling. I have a switch just below the loader control arm to turn it on and off.

I leave it on all the time. Mine is not harder to dump or curl the bucket back. For my applications, it really isnt super useful (not many pallets, hay bales, dumping in back of trucks, etc). It does affect the curl time, but the M62 is already faster than I would want to move anyway. Not only that, but my bucket has level indicators on it, AND I have the indicator on the FEL arm. Lots of choices! IMO, not worth $1800. However, maybe for you it is.

I heard a few that like it for their spouses/kids that move hay bales...makes it safer for them to lift and transport them.



It looks like there is also a "spill guard" type valve kit that prevents the bucket curl from coming back too far and spilling bucket contents onto the operator/hood of the tractor as well. Perhaps that version prevents some curl function?

First off thanks for taking the time to respond

You mention is does slow curling, does it slow curling only when on?

Next is curling question also, with it turned off can you bang your buck curls to dump sticky loads from the bucket?


Does your tractor have Kubota soft ride KSR?


Thanks

 

[Bigpuddie]

Re: Self Leveling Loader on L & M series tractors

The Kubota system can be turned off and on which would be HUGE to me. Not sure what you mean by quirky? Please clarify. I know that all hyd self leveling systems ARE NOT the same.

Any mechanical system is what it is (some limit the actual std full range of motion in the curl function) and you have no choice. I personally would prefer to have the Kubota system. If you want to operate at a faster pace, raise the RPMs.

Ok, so with most hydraulic self leveling, they only level going up, not down. You also do not get the benefit of added lift capacity. The newer mechanical self leveling loaders do not limit the curl and dump range of motion at all.

The one advantage a hydraulic system would have is less grease fittings. As for the on/off on a hydraulic system, I doubt you would ever use it as once you have self leveling, you dont go back. It's a great feature if you use your loader alot. If you dont use it much, save the money for an upgrade to radial tires on a M series or an accumulator for loader ride control. Those are awesome features

 

[Jchonline]

First off thanks for taking the time to respond

You mention is does slow curling, does it slow curling only when on?

Next is curling question also, with it turned off can you bang your buck curls to dump sticky loads from the bucket?


Does your tractor have Kubota soft ride KSR?


Thanks

You bet!

Yes only when on. I can see the difference. It isn't much, but I guess if you are a professional operator it would be nice to be able to turn it on and off as needed for a type of work.

I can bang it with the self leveling on.

I also think Bigpuddie may be correct...I just havent tried self leveling something as I move the FEL down. I never really noticed...mostly grapple and dirt work thus far...which means I am manipulating the curl and not letting it self level anyway. I "feel" like it doesn't self level on the way down, but maybe others can go test their machines and tell us. Mine is an hour away

I dont think it has KSR, I havent noticed it adjusting the FEL on bumps. I also never noticed it in the specs or in my research. I thought that was only on Skid Steers?

 

[RoyKing]

thanks

 

[Jchonline]

You bet!

Yes only when on. I can see the difference. It isn't much, but I guess if you are a professional operator it would be nice to be able to turn it on and off as needed for a type of work.

I can bang it with the self leveling on.

I also think Bigpuddie may be correct...I just havent tried self leveling something as I move the FEL down. I never really noticed...mostly grapple and dirt work thus far...which means I am manipulating the curl and not letting it self level anyway. I "feel" like it doesn't self level on the way down, but maybe others can go test their machines and tell us. Mine is an hour away

I dont think it has KSR, I havent noticed it adjusting the FEL on bumps. I also never noticed it in the specs or in my research. I thought that was only on Skid Steers?

Just confirmed, it does in fact self level when moving FEL both up and down (via manual). What I remember now is that IF you let it self level going up and THEN you curl/dump it will not go back to a level position when lowering. It stays in the position you left it in when you took over control. Does that make sense?

Also from the Manual:

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Re: Self Leveling Loader on L & M series tractors

Ok, so with most hydraulic self leveling, they only level going up, not down. You also do not get the benefit of added lift capacity. The newer mechanical self leveling loaders do not limit the curl and dump range of motion at all.

The one advantage a hydraulic system would have is less grease fittings. As for the on/off on a hydraulic system, I doubt you would ever use it as once you have self leveling, you dont go back. It's a great feature if you use your loader alot. If you dont use it much, save the money for an upgrade to radial tires on a M series or an accumulator for loader ride control. Those are awesome features

You seem to think that I have not operated a loader with self leveling, when that is what I have. I have a hydraulic self leveling loader, older, 12 years old and not up to the current quality that Kubota has. But even with that said, I have no real complaints about my hydraulic self leveling loader and prefer it to not having any self leveling loader at all.

As far as added lift capacity, what added lift capacity? Are you thinking of how JD use to rate their MSL loaders, it was wrong and they have corrected those ratings. Maybe you should look at the 931x NSL and the 936x MSL loaders for your own tractor. Unless I'm simply seeing the specs wrong on the Massey website, the 931xNSL loader has a full height lift at the pin capacity of 3420lbs and the 936xMSL loader that you have has a full height lift capacity of 2770 at the pins.

I know on the JD 5000M series loaders, the 563 NSL is 3982lbs lift capacity and the 563 MSL is 3121lbs lift capacity. That is over a 25% higher lift rating with a std loader over the MSL unit. Your tractors' loaders are just a bit less than a 25% difference in favor of the std NSL unit.

Am I wrong here? :confused3: You are correct in that it seems they got the different amount of curl between the 2 types of loaders figured out and are now both the same. :thumbsup:

 

[Bigpuddie]

Re: Self Leveling Loader on L & M series tractors

You seem to think that I have not operated a loader with self leveling, when that is what I have. I have a hydraulic self leveling loader, older, 12 years old and not up to the current quality that Kubota has. But even with that said, I have no real complaints about my hydraulic self leveling loader and prefer it to not having any self leveling loader at all.

As far as added lift capacity, what added lift capacity? Are you thinking of how JD use to rate their MSL loaders, it was wrong and they have corrected those ratings. Maybe you should look at the 931x NSL and the 936x MSL loaders for your own tractor. Unless I'm simply seeing the specs wrong on the Massey website, the 931xNSL loader has a full height lift at the pin capacity of 3420lbs and the 936xMSL loader that you have has a full height lift capacity of 2770 at the pins.

I know on the JD 5000M series loaders, the 563 NSL is 3982lbs lift capacity and the 563 MSL is 3121lbs lift capacity. That is over a 25% higher lift rating with a std loader over the MSL unit. Your tractors' loaders are just a bit less than a 25% difference in favor of the std NSL unit.

Am I wrong here? :confused3: You are correct in that it seems they got the different amount of curl between the 2 types of loaders figured out and are now both the same.

I am sorry if I insinuated that you are not familiar with self leveling loaders. Was not my intent. The Massey website is wrong. Loaders are made by Quicke as I am sure you know, and are their X3 models on the 4700. Click the link.

The MSL is rated higher.

X3S - Frontloader | Quicke | USFrontloader | Quicke | US

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Re: Self Leveling Loader on L & M series tractors

I am sorry if I insinuated that you are not familiar with self leveling loaders. Was not my intent. The Massey website is wrong. Loaders are made by Quicke as I am sure you know, and are their X3 models on the 4700. Click the link.

The MSL is rated higher.

X3S - Frontloader | Quicke | USFrontloader | Quicke | USView attachment 585301View attachment 585302

Sad that the manufacturer and the retailer can't get their specs the same. Still does not answer the question of the JD specs. Because of the differences and normally most of the equal sized tractors are some what close in specs, I think that I would believe the Massey specs over the Quickie specs. You have conflicting specs that are the opposite of what others are listed as.

If I was a person considering purchasing one of these, until I was shown otherwise, (Massey acknowledging that their printed specs are wrong) I would be matching the Massey specs vs any other manufacturer (JD as an example) that I was considering.

Glad that you like your machine and seem like you are happy with the loader, that's all that really matters at this point in time.

 

[Bigpuddie]

Re: Self Leveling Loader on L & M series tractors

Sad that the manufacturer and the retailer can't get their specs the same. Still does not answer the question of the JD specs. Because of the differences and normally most of the equal sized tractors are some what close in specs, I think that I would believe the Massey specs over the Quickie specs. You have conflicting specs that are the opposite of what others are listed as.

If I was a person considering purchasing one of these, until I was shown otherwise, (Massey acknowledging that their printed specs are wrong) I would be matching the Massey specs vs any other manufacturer (JD as an example) that I was considering.

Glad that you like your machine and seem like you are happy with the loader, that's all that really matters at this point in time.

I do love the Massey. It us unfortunate that the specs dont match. I would put my bet on the Quicke literature because they are the manufacturer and ALO Quicke has been making loaders for a long time. I think the pinhead that was responsible for printing and copying the specs to the Massey literature was looking at the wrong column. Happy New Year to you

 

[vvanders]

Having spent a lot of time with the forks loading hay and the like over the last couple days, I'm not sure $1800 would be worth it, even $600 seems steep for our L4760.

I'm never lifting the bucket high enough with a load to have it come over the back and our property isn't level enough where it'd be useful on the forks. I supposed if you've got a lot more level surfaces it could be handy.