Shared Road Issues

   / Shared Road Issues #31  
Dooleysm,
Be careful what you wish for if you get that road up to county standards and they take it over. Some day they will run a sewer line or water, or other utilities down that road and you will be assessed your fair share of the cost per the road frontage that you have.

My father bought some land and sub-divided it back in the late 50's. He put in a nice gravel road, city water, natural gas lines, electric, etc... about 10 years after that, some of the uppity up neighbors decided they wanted the road paved and city sewers and curbs put in. They got just barely over half the neighbors to sign on and they used a Barrett law to force all of the neighbors to pay their fair share of the project. My father had to come up with thousands of dollars in the late 60s to cover his 300+ feet of road frontage. He had five kids, two of which were in college. It almost bankrupted him. To top it off, the contractor that did the street work did a poor prep job and the road washed out twice in the next five years. The road was closed for a total of about a year and a half. My father had the only access to the neighborhood other than the street. He allowed the good neighbor access to their properties through our yard and threatened the bad neighbors with arrest for tresspassing if they tried to cut through. That forced them to walk in the muddy road to get to their homes. Nobody forgave nobody after that. Half the neighbors on the street ended up hating half the other neighbors on the street until the day they all died or moved away.

Another example:
We own some propery on a sparsley populated secion of state highway. We wanted to build on it. Natural gas was 800 yards down the road. It would cost me about $7000 to get it run to my place. If I paid for it all, after three years, the five property owners clustered around our property could tap into it without having to reimburse me for my costs. I approached each one about pooling our money to get natural gas and split the costs. The all said no thanks. My wife got pregnant, we postponed building. About 5 years later, those 5 neighbors approached me about the gas thing again. I said thanks, but no thanks, as we aren't building now. Guess what? They are mad at me now. :(

Be careful what you do and consider what will happen later. If it were me, I would just fix the road in front of my place and tell the other neighbors that you can get them a good deal on the road in front of their place if they are interested. I wish you the best of luck. ;)
 
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#32  
The road in front of my place is the worst part of the road. The length of my land is equal to 4 of the remaining 5 owners, so 'fixing the road in front of my place' is really the plan.

I would be overjoyed if the county came in and ran sewers. All other utilities (including water) are already in. I would happily pay my share. If it was going to bankrupt anyone it will be my neighbors before me. I'm blessed with a very well paying job, especially for the area. We are in a very rural area. The closest town of any size is 25 minutes away, with a population of about 35,000.

I can't wait to get some pictures so you guys can see this road.
 
   / Shared Road Issues #33  
If you can put a driveway into your home and bypass the road itself, that is what I would do. That way, they are left to deal with the problem themselves forever. Who plows the road when it snows? With a private driveway to your home, you have eliminated all the problems with the neighbors and they can't even complain to you about how the road is maintained. Common driveways, roads, etc. are nothing but a problem for all concerned.
Prior to my moving to CT, I owned a home that had a private driveway attached to the property on one side. All the surrounding neighbors used that driveway to access the rear of there homes with my permission and the permission of the previous owner of the house. Not one had a easement, or any deeded right on my land. While I was having the house painted, the painters set up ladders in the driveway, which inconvenienced some of those neighbors. They got together and came to the door one evening complaining to me and "warning" me not to let it happen again. It didn't ever happen again. I put two steel posts in the ground at the end of the driveway with a piece of guard rail across it. That ended the problem forever.
Dusty
 
   / Shared Road Issues #34  
Shawn,

i am glad you clarified that you have deeded easment to use the road. I wish you well and think you are doing the best you can under the circumstances. If I were the neighbors I woud be baking you cookies every week to get the deal you are getting for everybody. Not everybody is going to pay and that is just life. Hopefully you can have a little party, heck make it pot luck if you want, on a speific night, the collect the cash night. it willb e wonderful for you to get to know your neighbors.

you never know why not everbody contributed. it could be that others are strapped for cash, so keep an open mind.
 
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#35  
This road is the only access to my house. There are 2, 4 acre lots that separate my 45 acres from the state highway. Behind my acreage is the previous owners farmland and beyond that the river.

We knew this would be a problem when we bought the land, but it's a great piece of land besides this and we got a terrific price on it. We had the chance to buy one of the lots below us, but we were in the midst of building (we built our house ourselves in the evenings after work) and were strapped for cash, and weren't able to. We made an offer of what we could afford and he accepted the current owner's offer. A couple months later they pulled a trailer in. A couple months after that I talked to the original owner and he already regretted not selling to us.

It does blow my mind that some of the neighbors haven't responded to us. If I had received a similar letter in the mail from another neighbor I would have thought I won the lottery!

I guess the consensous though is to not bother trying to get something on paper?
 
   / Shared Road Issues #36  
The problem wiht putting anything down on paper is enforcing it. If they agree to pay an amount every year and then do not do so, what are you going to do? Home owner associations put liens on homes, but in my experience, those liens are usually dismissed when the homeowner sells there home.

Are the ones willing to pay between you and the paved road? Which ones are not willing to pay and how will it affect them. I agree it sucks to give them a free ride, but maybe they are in the area that won't get any improvement and it will just get worse?

Eddie
 
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#37  
The two that haven't responded, and honestly, they may be willing to pay if I go and knock on their doors, are at the beginning and end of the road, one each. The end of the road is such that the last 3 homes (all three past me) all enter the road right next to eachother. The guy at the beginning that has yet to respond is the one that gets all the water and rock runoff. It will definitely get worse, or at least no better, for the guy at the front of the road. The guy at the end, it will only improve for him.
 
   / Shared Road Issues #38  
My story is like the others who became frustrated with being on a private road. Never did a request for gravel money get more than 25% of those living on the road to chip in and 0% of those who owned land that has not been built on. I spent hours and hours trying to grade and keep the road passable. I think twice in 5 years someone said thank you. No more private roads for me!

Doolysm, I would at least try and talk to the owner of the 1st property on the road before you did too much grading work. It sounds like he has a run off problem and you don’t want him to come back and say it was your fault because of work you did on the road. People can be funny if they feel like they can get something for nothing.

MarkV
 
   / Shared Road Issues #39  
I hate to say it but I think you are sunk. People living in trailers (inexpensive homes) usually don't have a lot of extra cash to do things such as road repairs. You probably should just try to keep the road passable to your drive and pretend that the other homes are not there. In the end you will be much happier.

In the event that you or anyone else is going to purchase property make sure you have drawn up restrictions against problems such as this. People thought I was crazy for wanting restrictions on my property and the surrounding way out where I am. But, share a few horror strories with them and they say, "You know, them restrictions aren't so bad after all".
 
   / Shared Road Issues #40  
I live on a similar road... my suggestion, and the advice I give myself is:

Behave as if you live on your own road, with nobody else on it. You've stated that you have a well paying job, and like where you live. Fix the road to you driveway, show the other neighbors how good neighbors treat each other, and see if they respond the next time you seek funds.

You are obviously the one most sensitive to the condition of the road, if you make it right, you'll feel better, and your neighbors may respond to your generosity... if not, at least you'll enjoy driving down "your" road.

Tom
 

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