Sharing with Neighbor

   / Sharing with Neighbor #71  
AndyinIowa said:
BTW, I love going up to the 'keeping up with the Jones' subdivision
Bad Andy! Bad Andy! :eek: I don't think they're keeping up with me.... ;)

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However, I agree completely with everything else you're saying :)
 
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   / Sharing with Neighbor #72  
Ha! I know I'm guilty of taunting a few distant neighbors, but I try to keep it to a minimum. Its not really taunting as much as showing them the advantages of sharing...

Two of the sub-divisionites are building massive retaining walls. The wives are not pleased that these projects were launched in Iowa in November. One is renting a T300 Bobcat. The other was asking me the best size of backhoe for the job. Heck, I hardly watch TV anymore!I just swing by the sub-division for a new episode of 'As the Backhoe Turns' or 'All my Utility Tractor Children'...

Andy
 
   / Sharing with Neighbor #73  
That's all great on paper and in Mr. Rogers neighborhood.

I paid extra to have my own tractor as I'm sure my neighbors did.. It's 100% mine all of the time. if i want to take it to my other property and leave it there a week so i can stop by and do some work a couple hours each day.. I can.. and not worry if my neighbor down the street will have borrowed it to go do something on his remote property.

Your concept could easilly extend to automobiles and car pooling.. perhaps even one big communil trip to the grocery store and town 1 day per week, and the whole community just chips in and buys a bus. It would be great for the environment I'm sure... but I like my personal freedom.. If i want to change the color of my tractor.. or run it till the tires fall off.. I've got no one to answer to.. and I don't have to worry about it haveing a blow out while carrying a wagon load of kids down a road in a parade, vs just having it go flat harmlessly in a pasture.. etc.

I think it's great that you and your neighbors get along that good.

I think it's a bit condescending for you to judge everybody else because we don't think exactly like you do.

That said.. you are in luck.. It's america and a free country.. and for the most part.. we all get to think like we want.. and do what we want withing the law... So those of you that like to share.. go for it. it's a great community thing you've got going. Those of us that don't.. for whatever reason.. That's cool too!

who wants the soapbox.. I'm done with it?

soundguy

AndyinIowa said:
This thread is pretty sad in my eyes. Gone are the days when neighbors go out of their way to help each other. We have a new rural subdivision about a mile away, between the 9 houses are over $200,000 in utility tractors and attachments. I've stopped by that subdivision, and commented on my sharing program with the neighbors in MY area. The shock in their eyes clearly indicates their thoughts on the subject.

I myself am shocked that people will gladly pay thousands of dollars (even TENS of thousands of dollars) to avoid developing a relationship with a neighbor.

I just did some rough calculations. We share a LOT with our neighbors. Even factoring in the one or two breakages, I'd easily say we have over $15,000 more in our savings account (and I'm only 34) because we chose to put trust in our fellow neighbors. As a result, we have access to (easily) over $100,000 in equipment. I was ready to buy several large purchases, but a Saturday evening grillout with all the neighbors saved me serious money each time.

The agreements are handshakes, and pretty simple. 1. Return it in same or better overall condition. 2. Understand that mechanical things break. If something breaks, call the owner, buy them a coffee, and sit and mutually agree on the best fix. Sometimes it means a trip to the dealer and new parts. Sometimes its a 'this thing was shot already, so don't worry about it'. The key is TALKING!!!

Granted, I live in Iowa, and I have seen the lack of good neighbor-ship in a lot of areas of our country. It still comes back to people that would rather spend $3500 for their 'OWN' attachment (that gets less than 10 hours a year of use) vs. a share program. I guess it is your money. I'm happy saving mine for early retirement!

BTW, we also have started communal buying. We have a Honda trailer style log-splitter, large chainsaw for the occasional burr oak job, tandem axle 10,000 lb trailer, pole saw, Yamaha four wheeler, 30' extension ladder, torch and welder, and plasma cutter. We've been doing this for four years. Communication is the key to doing this successfully, and there are no alternatives. I broke the pole saw, and had it repaired. Cost me $83. The pole saw cost $320 new, divided four ways. I see it that I'm saving $240 on the saw, and I've yet to need it and not have it available.

People need to: 1. be flexible, 2. be less materialistic. Stop worshipping everything you or your neighbor owns. They are just tools, and equipment.

I know I'm soapboxing, but the only reason tool and equipment sharing doesn't work is because PEOPLE make a decision in their mind to not support it. And just because your new neighbor doesn't have a ton of things to share back, it doesn't mean they can't participate.

Our new neighbors to the south don't own much yet, so they host regular grillouts, bring plenty of beer to the neighborhood get togethers, and always lend a hand. Their contributions have helped me finish off projects in record time, and kept me well watered... =) We feel great because we're helping them get a good start at life in the country, just like Iowans have been doing for the past 150 years!

AndyinIowa

BTW, I love going up to the 'keeping up with the Jones' subdivision and chatting about all the outdoor projects I've been working on. I get a lot of jealous eyes when I talk about clearing a new section with the Woods mower, or using the 60" tiller to reclaim a lawn area. You can just SEE the $$$ calculating in their eyes, and the sad look when they realize they can't go out and afford one themselves. Yet they won't consider borrowing, since they can't IMAGINE loaning one of their precious toys out.... PRICELESS!!
 
   / Sharing with Neighbor #74  
The loaning thing is a good idea if it works for you. The owning your own stuff works pretty well too. When you talk about the cost of owning your own equipment you have to look at other things other than the fact that it costs a lot and sets around not used very often. I buy some equipment just for the tax break. I can buy new equipment and depreciate it and get a healthy per centage of the cost back in taxes or I could borrow my neighbors stuff and give some senator a bit more money to spend on his next fact finding trip to the Virgin Islands. I prefer to have my own eqipment and let the senator pay for their vacation out of their own pocket.
 
   / Sharing with Neighbor #75  
Your just transferring the batton to the next guy. Somebody is going to pay for that trip, and it ain't going to be the Senator!!!
I loaned a semi rare attachment that mounts on a attachment that goes on my Bridgeport. (Right angle head for a quillmaster attachment) I loaned it to a guy I had never met in person, still haven't. That QRA head does a great job when it is needed, but a job requiring it comes along very seldom. A guy in Pa needed one, couldn't find one to beg, borrow or steal, so when I couldn't find him one, I told him to send me a check for the value of it, and I sent it to him. He returned it in perfect shape two weeks later and I sent his check back to him. It got his job done at no risk to me and everyone was happy. I was glad to help him out, and he has a standing offer to me to stop by if I ever can, for dinner on him. A tour of his shop would be more fun to me, but I never refuse a good meal!
David from jax
The QRA is shown here with the Quillmaster it mounts on. Page Title
 
   / Sharing with Neighbor #76  
but the only reason tool and equipment sharing doesn't work is because PEOPLE make a decision in their mind to not support it.

Yeah, screw that. The minute i loan out my tractor to someone, is the minute it breaks and I'M THE ONE LEFT WITH THE BILLS. I think ill just buy my own. If you want to use my tractor you can either pay me to do the work for you, or you can go to your local rental place and tear up their equipment. Im all about loaning a pencil, or pen, but im not loaning a 20,000 dollar tractor to someone for their undying friendship.

I dont loan my truck to people, and i don't loan my tractor and equipment to people. Im more than happy to HELP you with it via use of my tractor and/or truck, but you arent getting it for your sole use for the day or whatever.

Now, sandman2234, i can go for what you did. If my neighbor wants to write me a check for the value of REPLACEMENT of my equipment, he can use it all day long.
 
   / Sharing with Neighbor #77  
Some things to consider when loaning stuff out:

1. No matter who the person is, any loan can go bad. People run into problems, stuff gets lost, etc. You may never get your stuff back. Make sure you can afford and are emotionally prepared for the possibility of losing your stuff.

2. Wear and tear is going to happen. So part of the "favor" in loaning something is to be emotionally prepared for stuff to get dinged up a bit. Its part of what you are giving.

3. Half the hassle of loaning stuff is the time it takes for the person to come over, find all the parts, load it up, shoot the breeze for a beer or two, call for instructions, etc. Again, this is part of what you are giving, so be prepared.

4. Getting the stuff back is another pitfall. Be prepared to call and ask for it back. Its your stuff. Again, be emotionally prepared to have to go and get the stuff back. Its part of what you are giving.

5. if it comes back broken or the borrower otherwise dissapoints you, see thoughts 1 through 4 and forgive and forget (but of course revoke their library card).


On Borrowing:

1. Always fill the tank, clean it up better than you got it, and replace any "consumables" such as blades, bits, etc that you used any appreciable life off of.

2. Buy your own supplies. For example, nails for a nail gun, etc. Always return the extras with the tool - they will be more useful to the owner than to you.

3. STAY SAFE! Nothing like the guilt you can dump on the owner if somebdy gets hurt using their stuff they loaned you.

4. If you break, damage, or lose it, immediately replace it with new or repair it to like-new. Period. Don't ask or give the owner a chance to waive this. Just do it.

5. Return the stuff immediately, before the owner expects you to. Its better to store it at the owner's house even if you expect to borrow it againt he next weekend.

6. If the owner needs it back, drive it back over to them immediately that day.

7. Be prepared to waste some time shooting the breeze with the owner if thats what they get out of the arrnangement. Don't be rude.

8. However, don't take up the owner's time if they are busy. Just pick up the stuff and be on your way.

9. Accomodate the owner's schedule in picking the stuff up and returning it.

10. Send a thank-you card and some token gift or something. At least buy the beer.


- Rick
 
   / Sharing with Neighbor #78  
keeney said:
Some things to consider when loaning stuff out:

1. No matter who the person is, any loan can go bad. People run into problems, stuff gets lost, etc. You may never get your stuff back. Make sure you can afford and are emotionally prepared for the possibility of losing your stuff.

2. Wear and tear is going to happen. So part of the "favor" in loaning something is to be emotionally prepared for stuff to get dinged up a bit. Its part of what you are giving.

3. Half the hassle of loaning stuff is the time it takes for the person to come over, find all the parts, load it up, shoot the breeze for a beer or two, call for instructions, etc. Again, this is part of what you are giving, so be prepared.

4. Getting the stuff back is another pitfall. Be prepared to call and ask for it back. Its your stuff. Again, be emotionally prepared to have to go and get the stuff back. Its part of what you are giving.

5. if it comes back broken or the borrower otherwise dissapoints you, see thoughts 1 through 4 and forgive and forget (but of course revoke their library card).


On Borrowing:

1. Always fill the tank, clean it up better than you got it, and replace any "consumables" such as blades, bits, etc that you used any appreciable life off of.

2. Buy your own supplies. For example, nails for a nail gun, etc. Always return the extras with the tool - they will be more useful to the owner than to you.

3. STAY SAFE! Nothing like the guilt you can dump on the owner if somebdy gets hurt using their stuff they loaned you.

4. If you break, damage, or lose it, immediately replace it with new or repair it to like-new. Period. Don't ask or give the owner a chance to waive this. Just do it.

5. Return the stuff immediately, before the owner expects you to. Its better to store it at the owner's house even if you expect to borrow it againt he next weekend.

6. If the owner needs it back, drive it back over to them immediately that day.

7. Be prepared to waste some time shooting the breeze with the owner if thats what they get out of the arrnangement. Don't be rude.

8. However, don't take up the owner's time if they are busy. Just pick up the stuff and be on your way.

9. Accomodate the owner's schedule in picking the stuff up and returning it.

10. Send a thank-you card and some token gift or something. At least buy the beer.


- Rick

You could probably put that on a poster with some landscape picture in the background and get money selling it. "The ten commandments of borrowing"

Truly well said.
 
   / Sharing with Neighbor #79  
what a thread, imagine that, some people don't lend their wives.

I see both sides of this.

However, for those of you talking about those people living in the subdivisions with everyone using their own equipment, there is a reason for it. Living in a subdivision south of harrisburg PA for two years taught me alot. Everyone had their own mowers/tractors, weed wackers, snow blowers, etc. the houses did not have fences between them - due to restrictive covenants- but each person maintained their own ground, you could see the property lines. I got along with my neighbors fairly well, but when they went away, everything was locked up and the alarms were on. So, in order to ensure that you were not fined for failing to keep up by the homeowners association, you had your own stuff. Some neighbors worked extensive hours, and the only time you saw them was on the weekends, or once every 2-3 weeks from business related travel. I did work in some peoples houses for them - woodworking projects/trimwork, and in turn, someone always seemed to be there to help me unload stuff from my truck into my garage. People would watch your house for you, pick up your papers, and move your trash cans for you. It was just a different kind of relationship there. Some of it was done so that you wouldn't be fined by the homeowners association. There is a reason why some developments look better than others - restrictive covenants.

Now I live in the sticks again, and it is a different story. The only covenant I have now is the law and the wife.
 
   / Sharing with Neighbor #80  
3. STAY SAFE! Nothing like the guilt you can dump on the owner if somebdy gets hurt using their stuff they loaned you.

Actually that is an EXCELLENT reason to NOT loan out anything...Could you imagine being SUED by the borrower, claiming you loaned him a DEFECTIVE item!!!!:eek:

As the saying goes...NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED...:rolleyes:
 

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