Since all you old hands here are so patient...

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Thanks everyone.

Day said...

>It sounds like you don't have too much experience with ag machinery

... and that's right. I don't (as I said). That's why I'm picking your brains.

dodge man said...

>If you feel the need to clean up the large trees, it might be a job for a larger, construction type machine that you rent or have hired for you

... and I'm totally open to that option. If I should contract for that project, and base my decision on what tractor to buy based on what's left after that's off the table, then... ok...

It's not OK with me to leave the six acres in front of the house as a (micro) vast wasteland that will become obnoxious scrub on steep ground over the next few years.

But, if committing to doing that work myself would commit me to buying a tractor that is not right for everything else, I'd be glad to contract that work to someone with the right equipment.

~

C'mon guys... you know know I'd love a good excuse to get a 50 hp Massey Ferguson, or some such... Who wouldn't? But... the down trees are a one-time job. If the 50 hp machine would be overkill and overcost after the the downed trees are off the table... well... tell me now?

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Day said...

>It sounds like you don't have too much experience with ag machinery

... and that's right. I've been lurking on this site for a while, and a really appreciate the attitude... the willingness to share, the lack of flaming.

I am -- let it be said upfront -- a total gormless noobie. I'm very excited about this next chapter of my life, and I'm smarter than I look (online at least), but yeah... I'm a noob... I got lotsa noob questions.

(Speaking of... I also like the way you guys talk about safety... that's been an eye-opener.)

I would agree you need heavier duty equipment to get the job done safely and economically. Kubota makes a nice tracked hoe that is available for rent, or purchase of course. The one I rented I was able to pull with my 1Ton pickup safely. If you do purchase quickly calculate what you will charge your neighbors and friends to do digging for them because they will come asking.
 
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Sandbur...

>That's just about the right age to start a second life

OK, you get that part. Good.

>a tractor with a narrow stance

The Kioti CK30 is narrow stance? I don't get that part... is it really?

>steep hills can easily equate to soil erosion. If you'll allow them to, your county extension service can help you with that since they have experience with that in your area and can come out to your property and see it first hand. You are paying for that service so I suggest using it.

Of course I'd allow that.. great suggestion.
 
   / Since all you old hands here are so patient... #13  
Orchards: what kind of crop? What will be the separation between rows?
 
   / Since all you old hands here are so patient... #14  
You have already gotten as good or better advice than I can offer, but that's never stopped me before.:laughing:

Several years ago, we lost about five acres of woods to a storm. My brother and I have quite a bit of experience with chain saws and had them up to an 044 Stihl, now we have a 660. It didn't take us long to call in a logger who worked the woods up and we made a few bucks. We told him what he could and couldn't take, but we both worked and he did not do the job the way we wanted; lesson learned.

I would contract with a reputable logger to do the work and check frequently. You will still have plenty of firewood from the tops.

We have a stand alone and 3PH splitter and prefer the stand alone so it doesn't tie up the tractor.

I am not saying, you can't do this on your own, but as mentioned you are going to need a pretty good size tractor. Our 72 HP was about right for us.

If you are not going to be using your tractor in your yard, I would never describe a 50 HP as too big.

I haven't farmed in years, so others will give you much better advice than I.

Renting has been mentioned and that is what we do for an excavator, skid loader etc.

Good luck and check out the threads on operating on slopes and flipping your tractor etc.
 
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I agree, check with a logger or mulching company, let them cut out the usable wood and pay you for it, then clean up whats left, you wouldn't need a big tractor for the clean up.
 
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>Orchards: what kind of crop?

Truffles. Don't laugh.

>What will be the separation between rows?

I'm not sure. I know they need to be planted close... 500+ trees per acre.
 
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So... please tell me if I am understanding/filtering your comments correctly.

If I am going to take on the down trees in the wood lot, I need to be thinking about something in the 50+ hp range, and it's still a challenge (and potentially dangerous). I should consider contracting that work, or moving to a bigger tractor than the CK-30H.

If I'm trying to clear the downed trees, I need something bigger than the CK-30H, or get someone else to do it. If I do contract out the damaged wood lot, the CK-30H might be right for the other stuff.

Is that an accurate paraphrase/filter of what all y'all are saying?
 
   / Since all you old hands here are so patient... #18  
As so often seems to be the case, I'll have to agree with TripleR here, and the other recommendations also. If you have 13 or so hillside acres of down trees, it's going to be one monumental undertaking getting it cleared up. I'd get a forester or the county extension agent to give it a look before making too many detailed plans. Seems to me it's critical to determine if you have any salvageable timber, because that will dictate whether a logger would clear it for the recoverable timber, at one extreme, or whether you'd have to pay a logger entirely out of your own pocket for his work, at the other. Sorry to say, I think paying fully to have it cleared is going to be an expensive proposition.

Seems to me that attempting to clear the land entirely on your own as an initial priority has its own set of issues. You have such a combination of risk factors involved: hilly property, down and leaning trees amid standing timber, novice tractor operator, novice tree cutter, unknown backup and support crew, etc. If you can do it in incremental stages, so you acquire experience and skill over time, it's do-able, but it will take you a long time to both learn and use what you've learned.

Regarding tractor size, others have reflected wisely that you'll need something larger than a 30 hp tractor if you're going to clear it yourself. You also may want to consider a second machine, such as a used, full sized backhoe, for your land clearing, to be sold when the heavy work is finished.

Regarding the comment about tractors having a narrow stance. It's an issue of tractors needing ground clearance to operate on rough ground, unlike, say, a go-kart, which has essentially no ground clearance. With the weight of a tractor up comparatively high off the ground, it doesn't take much of a pothole, dip, stump or other unexpected obstacle to throw a tractor over sideways on a slope. So running tractors around hillsides pulling logs and such has danger written all over it.

We are going to be doing some hillside tree clearing this fall, so I have a lot of sympathy for what you're getting into. Our project is quite a bit smaller than what you've staked out, but it will be a challenge nonetheless, and we expect to be working at it ourselves over the fall and winter months. We added a 3 point tractor logging winch to our implements so we can pull the trees off the slopes from level ground.

All the best with your plans. Be safe and enjoy the experience. I hope the advice you get here on TBN helps get you on the road to success.
 
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Grandad4.. thanks for the thoughtful response. Food for thought!
 
   / Since all you old hands here are so patient... #20  
im going to jump in here,you have 2 options.1 you could hire a dozer to go in an clean the down trees up,an be done with it.2 you could go in yourself with the chainsaw an splitter an cut the good firewood out.an then hire dozer an clean the mess up.but either way you need a 4x4 50hp tractor an loader todo your other work.
 

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