Small Rifle help

[thingy]

Maybe he could get some of them exploding targets,,stick them on 20 lb propane tanks,,and put them in pond,,[wonder if a 20 lb propane tank floats?},,probably not,,would need to put a life preserver or something on them,,,let about 6-7 of them float around pond,,when beavers start coming out,,,take 22 and shoot targets??!!might make them have heart attacks,,,,


another thought,,take propane tanks,,and hose,,empty gas in beaver lodge,,,set another tank on top with one of them exploding targets,,take 22 and shoot????naw???
They just gotta be away to kill them beavers with these exploding targets,,,,thingy

 

[Egon]

Thingy:

You poke a hole into the beaver house, drain a 20 pound bottle of C3 into the house and follow with a shot from a flare gun.

Propane bottles float.

 

[DieselPower]

I might add to Eddie's breakdown the following.

"All a bullet remaining in the animal means is that the bullet didn't have enough power to plow all the way through."

It may also be a indicator that you chose the wrong type of bullet. A thin walled hollow point or ballistic point bullet stands a greater chance of not passing through a animal when compared to bullets like a Barnes solid copper bullet or a A frame/partition type bullet that retain a large amount of their weight.

"Energy is a poor way to determine stopping or killing power."

Actually the "energy" is a great way to determine the stopping power. A bullet with more energy has more energy to stop it. The transfer of energy from the bullet to the animal is what kills it. More energy means a larger wound cavity.

".223 is virtually guaranteed to stay inside an elk whereas the .45 LC has a very good chance of going clear through."

I would use the analogy of firing a dart at high speed at a animal compared to shooting a brick at a animal at low speed. The brick dosn't stand much chance of going through. Especially the 45 Colt (Long Colt is a nickname and has never been addopted as legitimate) which is normally found firing solid lead flat point bullets. The dart (our .223 in this example) would stand a greater chance. Much higher velocity and energy in a pointed bullet. Would it penetrate a elk, I would highly doubt it but it stands a greater chance than the 45 flying brick.

And finally.

"All a bullet remaining in the animal means is that the bullet didn't have enough power to plow all the way through."

"Energy is a poor way to determine stopping or killing power."

These two statements contradict each other. One states you need more energy and the other sais it's a poor indicator of stopping power. So which is it? You either need more energy or you don't.

 

[thingy]

egon,sounds good,,,is there anyway we can incorperate those exploding targets in this,just for the heck of it,,,,thingy

 

[Soundguy]

Know you've done it.. you guys have interjected some fact... you know that really messes up the 'wild baseless conjecture' people... now that's not nice at all.. (grin)

Soundguy

I might add to Eddie's breakdown the following.

"All a bullet remaining in the animal means is that the bullet didn't have enough power to plow all the way through."

It may also be a indicator that you chose the wrong type of bullet. A thin walled hollow point or ballistic point bullet stands a greater chance of not passing through a animal when compared to bullets like a Barnes solid copper bullet or a A frame/partition type bullet that retain a large amount of their weight.

"Energy is a poor way to determine stopping or killing power."

Actually the "energy" is a great way to determine the stopping power. A bullet with more energy has more energy to stop it. The transfer of energy from the bullet to the animal is what kills it. More energy means a larger wound cavity.

".223 is virtually guaranteed to stay inside an elk whereas the .45 LC has a very good chance of going clear through."

I would use the analogy of firing a dart at high speed at a animal compared to shooting a brick at a animal at low speed. The brick dosn't stand much chance of going through. Especially the 45 Colt (Long Colt is a nickname and has never been addopted as legitimate) which is normally found firing solid lead flat point bullets. The dart (our .223 in this example) would stand a greater chance. Much higher velocity and energy in a pointed bullet. Would it penetrate a elk, I would highly doubt it but it stands a greater chance than the 45 flying brick.

And finally.

"All a bullet remaining in the animal means is that the bullet didn't have enough power to plow all the way through."

"Energy is a poor way to determine stopping or killing power."

These two statements contradict each other. One states you need more energy and the other sais it's a poor indicator of stopping power. So which is it? You either need more energy or you don't.

 

[rdln]

reminds me of the story i heard about Fred Bear appearing on Mort Neff's Michigan out of Doors TV show when Fred demonstrated a broadhead arrow penetrating a sand bag and a 30/30 winchester not going through.

 

[Soundguy]

There are alot of differences in the physics of the balistics involved in an arrow and a bullet..

Soundguy

 

[SkyPup]

There are alot of differences in the physics of the balistics involved in an arrow and a bullet..

Soundguy

And allot of similarities.

When both are fired at the same time parallel to the ground, they both hit the ground at the same time....

 

[BillyP]

And allot of similarities.

When both are fired at the same time parallel to the ground, they both hit the ground at the same time....

You're gonna have to splain that one to me.

 

[Bob_Skurka]

You're gonna have to splain that one to me.

Everything falls at the same rate.

A bullet and an arrow, fired simulateously from the same height, if fired parallel to the ground, will hit the ground at the same time. The bullet will likely hit the ground a mile or so downrange, the arrow's landing place can be measued in yards, but when the arrow hits the ground the bullet will also be hitting the ground.