Smart Meters

   / Smart Meters #51  
A day will come when you will not be able to buy a major appliance that does not have module in it that allows it to be controlled by the power company via the smart meter. There is no way they could dump this entire program on Joe Blow thus a phase-in over years. Water heaters I can see but don't mess with my AC during the summer.

That is when solar and wind energy will seriously make sense. But i don't understand why we can't build more coal plants using new technology. We have plenty of coal and its odd that a company has a product that they don't want to sell too much of.
 
   / Smart Meters #52  
That is when solar and wind energy will seriously make sense. But i don't understand why we can't build more coal plants using new technology. We have plenty of coal and its odd that a company has a product that they don't want to sell too much of.

Don't you remember the president said this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF7Qm31LIDM
 
   / Smart Meters #54  
Just watched fracknation, any libs who watched gasland and this want to say anything or comment.


HS
 
   / Smart Meters #56  
We've had our smart meter for a few months now, and I don't know why people complain. Especially in the case of these two idiots who have an alternative, if they're willing to pay for it.

Once the new meters are fully installed (let's say >90% to give it a number) across the utility's service area, they will then be in a position to begin time-based rates, just as it was in the beginning of power generation and distribution in the early 1900s, but now for different reason. Then it was because of limited generating capacity, now it will be because of limited demand.

With the huge build-out of solar and other technologies underway that are not part of a utility's generation capacity, namely businesses and HOs who install their own solar or wind power generation sources, it becomes more expensive for them (the utility) to operate their base load generating stations and peaking stations are called on less and less, meaning when they do run their maintenance costs are distributed over a shorter run time which brings the operating cost up per KW.

During the day, when it is sunny and there is a nice breeze, all those alternate power sources are cranking out KW and supplying power to the owner and then any excess is FORCED on to the grid (by law) and the utilities must accept it. Since electricity cannot be stored the power generated at any moment in time must be adjusted to meet demand. This means the utilities will take generating stations off line of throttle back those that they can control output on (which are few) to meet demand. Its not easy (economically feasible I should say I guess) to control output on most large generating stations because you end up using almost as much fuel as you do when running at 100% output. Back in the days when gas turbine peaking units were plentiful they were switched on/off as need take to take up the slack or power was purchased through pre-arranged agreements between neighboring utilities. Large generating stations need to have maximum up time to be efficient and hold prices down. When demand is less than your base generating capacity; base meaning here your minimum demand needed 24/7 from across your service area; some units must be shut down. The cost of maintaining these units goes up plus many of these units cannot be switched on/off at a moments notice. A nuclear plant for instance can't sit idle all day then be 'turned on' so to speak when the sun goes down. They are not designed to work that way and it takes too long to go through the startup process to be efficient. Plus the strain put on various equipment caused by repeated heating up and cooling down will result in increased maintenance again driving operating costs upward.

So I am saying all this to tell you that once the utilities have the capability of metering your consumption in real time, they will be in a position to begin billing at different rates. So just as in some areas of the country you have summer and winter rates, you will also have a day and a night rate. You will learn to adjust you power use to when it is least expensive, or pay for the privilege of doing your laundry or cooking whenever you want. Some uses such as A/C or heat or well pump use will be trapped in whatever rate applies when that equipment is needed, and you will pay whatever the rate is at that time of day. Now when they get down to installing modules on each piece of equipment they will be able to exclude such uses as heating or other essential use from being charged the higher rate or they will institute a rate structure composed of KW used times the type of use adjustment factor with recreational uses costing more.

To make ends meet people will be forced into installing their own solar or wind sources and you will see use of onsite storage battery banks with inverters increase as the next big thing in the alternative energy market.

Actually that is the next big thing in the power business. Whoever develops a method to safely store and retrieve gigawatts of power, even if only for a short period like 48 hours, will rule the world.
 
   / Smart Meters #57  
The power company already knows my usage and our meters still require a meter reader to drive by. The reader no longer has to come to the house but they have to be in the neighborhood so the smart reader is not giving them real time information.

These are not the latest generation smart meters. The next gen smart meters communicate over the power lines to the utility, no meter reader will be necessary.
 
   / Smart Meters #58  
These are not the latest generation smart meters. The next gen smart meters communicate over the power lines to the utility, no meter reader will be necessary.

Next generation? It's my understanding that what we have now communicates over the power lines. In addition to not having a meter reader, I even get a weekly e-mail showing usage hour by hour and an estimate of what the next bill will be.
 
   / Smart Meters #59  
Next generation? It's my understanding that what we have now communicates over the power lines. In addition to not having a meter reader, I even get a weekly e-mail showing usage hour by hour and an estimate of what the next bill will be.
You may already have them where you are, but the person i responded to said they still had meter readers coming out and they had a smart meter, so they don't have the latest even if it was installed last week.
 
   / Smart Meters #60  
In BC there has been a fair bit if resistance to the so called Smart Meters - which have been blamed for a number of things including electrical fires etc.
Here is a link that some of you might find interesting:

PHASE 1 DOCUMENTS TO HELP PREVENT SMART METER INSTALLS IN B.C. « bcfreedom

There is an active resistance to getting the meters installed and the number of people are increasing daily.
My personal take is I don't want them or need them - we will have to wait and see if the utility company (BC Hydro) will force them on the home owners. At present the utility company is playing games and some of what it is doing is illegal.
Read the link and make up your own mind - corruption is in full swing in British Columbia these days.
Thx.
 

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