Snow Equipment Buying/Pricing Snowblowing setup for a long, steep driveway

   / Snowblowing setup for a long, steep driveway #31  
A neighbor has a similar drive.
Couple of days back I saw his car off to the side resting at about 45 deg's.
The tow truck had one difficult time extracting him!

His best ride would have been that J5!
 
   / Snowblowing setup for a long, steep driveway #32  
Mark -they were ladder on a b3030- i have since gone to a JD 3720 with euro style and traction is definitely improved as is ride quality.

I really appreciate the insights and advice, folks. There are a lot of questions, so I'll try to cover them in groups instead of individually. I'm also attaching some photos of the driveway. We had a Cat 930K come yesterday to deal with our plow piles, and a sand truck came today. Two of the photos are before the Cat came, one photo is after the Cat but before the sand, and one is with the sand down.

I wouldn't necessarily call 6" a normal snowfall--sometimes it's sometimes 1" or 2", sometimes 8", sometimes in between. It's not often much more than 6", and it would be very rare (less than once per winter) to get more than 16" in a day. We're on the east side of the mountains, so the snow is usually dry. I used 6" as the guideline because it's usually less than that, and the handful of times per year it's more than 6" I'm not averse to spending extra time blowing at a slower speed (as opposed to spending a lot of money on a monster tractor that can blow any amount of snow at 3 mph). Snow drifts are uncommon. We've had the property three years--the past two winters have been mild, and this winter is closer to normal. This winter is the first time we've had a problem with ice buildup. In previous winters the driving surface was usually snow, but good snow tires were always sufficient (blizzaks on the car, hakkas on the truck). Sunny days and ground heat would reduce the mass, and cold clear nights would cause frost growth on the surface.

Our plow driver had a V-plow and got stuck with some frequency (taking an hour+ to get unstuck). His equipment (truck, tires, chains) weren't the best, but he was experienced. He quit on us this weekend after getting stuck badly and missing other clients (I don't blame him, an unfortunate situation); we'll see how the next plow driver does. No matter how good the plow driver is, on high-volume winters the piles will eventually require machinery. I don't want to go through the learning curve of plowing on a high-consequence driveway, I don't want to deal with plow piles during the winter, some places (especially around the house) don't have good places to put piles, I don't like the extra driveway mud from plow piles in the spring melt, and I want the flexibility to leave the big snowfalls to blow in one pass instead of waking up in the middle of the night to do an intermediate pass. For all those reasons, I want to blow instead of plow. And perhaps silly, but I prefer the aesthetics of a blown driveway compared to plow piles. Captain Dirty, your point about keeping a plow contractor while I learn the ropes is well-taken. The sand today was delivered today at a good price and without fuss, so maybe that's the last job I'd try to take on myself.

We have ~100 acres, but almost entirely steeply hilled. I have no desire to farm or otherwise touch most of it. Around the house we have a few acres to landscape/etc, but I can manage that mowing with my BCS. The tractor is primarily for winter snow removal, and the only summer activities are moving heavy things with the loader, and maintaining the driveway (box blade, land plane, or similar). I certainly have no high-horsepower requirements in the summer. If it weren't for the snow removal, I'd probably buy an old lower-hp open-station tractor with a decent loader for the summer tasks.

The advice here seems to be to definitely aim higher than the Kubota B/Kioti CK series. There are a few youtubers with extensive collections of front-blower videos. In particular, Mark Holbrook's channel has a lot of videos with a front blower on a Kubota L4760 in Idaho, which should be fairly similar to my climate (albeit with more drifts). He seems to move at a decent pace when blowing 6", and so I'm using that setup as a benchmark in my head. Based on that benchmark, is upgrading the hp to the L6060 going to come with a noticeable increase in blowing pace? (sounds like going with the high HP is a good idea) And is switching from Kubota L to Kioti DK without changing the HP or blower width going to have similar performance? (not sure)

Leonz, your recommendation to use a row crop tractor while rear facing is definitely interesting. I had seen that such tractors exist, but assumed they were so astronomically expensive that it wouldn't make sense given the lack of summer use. I would appreciate the rear steer so that the wheels more closely follow the path of the blower. In addition to the cost, I'd be worried about the ease of operation/maintenance of a used tractor engineered for large farms compared to a Kubota Grand L built with less experienced owners in mind.

fishhead, your story about sliding on a 20% slope with v-bar chains on all four tires certainly got my attention. Were those cross-link chains or a web/net-style like Aquiline Talon or Trygg SMT? How heavy was that tractor?


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   / Snowblowing setup for a long, steep driveway #33  
A friend has exactly the tractor U want. (not 4 sale)

It is a Kubota product that has rear steer and is essentially set up like a 0 turn landscape machine.
Looks like he is driving backwards!
The product is offered with sweeper, mower, blade and his has a heated cab with wipers front and back.
Oh, and diesel powered.
(He only has the blower attachment which is all hydraulically controlled).

It is a very agile machine with fantastic visibility plus is 4 x 4 and hydrostatic drive.

To see it in action is like watching a forklift maneuver in a crowded warehouse.

Wish I knew the model # but I'm sure any Kubota dealer can advise you.

The only downside was weight on the steering wheels but we added weights at that end.
If that machine had chains on the drive wheels I think it could even climb a cliff!
 
   / Snowblowing setup for a long, steep driveway #34  
i think a rear pull would work fine but with any blower i would be concerned about rocks. This year with the constant freeze thaw we have had a ton rolling down from hillsides that get hidden when it snows. I would want to try to widen that road, mark the edge well with wands and plow a berm on the downhill side to try to retain a vehicle (best done with super wet snow) and a soft berm on the uphill to catch the rollers. I think going wider than the tractor is a good call.
 
   / Snowblowing setup for a long, steep driveway #35  
Mark, where in WA are you located?
 
   / Snowblowing setup for a long, steep driveway #36  
A friend has exactly the tractor U want. (not 4 sale)

It is a Kubota product that has rear steer and is essentially set up like a 0 turn landscape machine.
Looks like he is driving backwards!
The product is offered with sweeper, mower, blade and his has a heated cab with wipers front and back.
Oh, and diesel powered.
(He only has the blower attachment which is all hydraulically controlled).

It is a very agile machine with fantastic visibility plus is 4 x 4 and hydrostatic drive.

To see it in action is like watching a forklift maneuver in a crowded warehouse.

Wish I knew the model # but I'm sure any Kubota dealer can advise you.

The only downside was weight on the steering wheels but we added weights at that end.
If that machine had chains on the drive wheels I think it could even climb a cliff!

Sounds like a Kubota F series mower, which can mount a 50" blower or ? 60"blade, JD and NH have similar units;
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It would take at least 3 maybe 4 passes for a narrow driveway.
 
   / Snowblowing setup for a long, steep driveway #37  
I really appreciate the insights and advice, folks. There are a lot of questions, so I'll try to cover them in groups instead of individually. I'm also attaching some photos of the driveway. We had a Cat 930K come yesterday to deal with our plow piles, and a sand truck came today. Two of the photos are before the Cat came, one photo is after the Cat but before the sand, and one is with the sand down.

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So, the person that came and plowed used a 29,000 lb end loader that had chains? Looks like a good choice of tool for the job. What altitude is the property? With a diesel, lack of air really hurts you so you will want a turbo to make up for that. Also, I would be looking at equipment that is not just "front wheel assist". Get something that is made strong enough to last pulling with the front axle and has GREAT brakes.

https://www.cat.com/en_ZA/products/new/equipment/wheel-loaders/small-wheel-loaders/1000016200.html
 
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   / Snowblowing setup for a long, steep driveway
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So yes, it's narrow and the edge drops off. It's an adventure, but so far we've never not been able to make it up with snow tires. The steepest section is luckily lower-consequence without a steep drop-off. The sections with a steep drop-off tend to be closer to the average grade (10-15%). The last photo I posted makes it look steeper than it is at that narrow spot--that might be 12%. We're not the only ones in the area with a hairy driveway, so plow contractors aren't shocked out of their boots. The last guy charged us $120 per plow (I'm not sure if that counts as a stack of benjamins, deezler). I think being out west helps, too. The meteorological conditions that lead to icy ski slopes in the Northeast likely make east-coast driveways icier too.

ruffdog, I think edge markers would just get in the way of the plow piles. The edge is obvious the first snow of the year, and I think the plow guy sets the first pile right at the edge and uses that as a guide the rest of the season. Another benefit to blowing would be that I could place concrete blocks (e.g. parking lot wheelstops) or some other guardrail around some of the hairier turns. ruffdog, you also asked about erosion/picking up rocks--during the summer we get small rocks falling into the driveway. During winter it's not an issue, probably because the uphill plow pile is catching anything coming down. I'm also interested in your experience with the toolcat as a snow removal tool. It's an interesting option, especially given the rear steer capability. But it's also expensive, lacks a high lift, and finding/fitting aggressive euro-style chains may be an issue.

Piloon, is your friend's machine a Kubota F3390? I had looked at the JD equivalent (1585) as an option to get rear steer. It seems a little low on horsepower, I'd be worried about fitting aggressive chains, and I'd like a back blade (and a loader for summer). I do worry about turning radius. The Kioti DK has a 74" blower and is 63" wide, which should lead to a ~100 ft turning radius. The Kubota L6060 also has a 74" blower but is 67" wide which should lead to a 170ft turning radius. I might be able to bolt some wings on the side of the blower to get another couple inches on each side, and the sharper turns would require some back-and-forth. It looks like the euros (ferrari, antonio carraro, etc) have tractors in the 50-ish HP range with reversible controls, but obviously little dealer support and also not great loader options (and also no back blade).

I'm in North Central WA, elevation ~2500-3000ft.
 
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   / Snowblowing setup for a long, steep driveway #40  
Wow, no one can you accuse of not considering multiple options. Rather than ping ponging around, you might want to try to find some locals who do their own snow removal, and see what their experiences have been - good and bad. Have you actually had any in depth discussions with implement dealers?

Your property is beautiful. How long have you had it? Maybe the better near term plan would be to contract out the snow removal for now, and spend more energy and $$ next summer widening and improving the road.
 

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