So much for a Nissan Leaf!

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   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #161  
Diesel fuel seems higher in London, that may be part of it.

Results for stations around London - PetrolPrices.com

DI gas is getting better, but it used to be you couldn't beat an equivalent diesel motor in city-cycle driving, w/o going to a hybrid/gas configuration.

Rgds, D.

Mom's only new car is a 2001 Toyota Corolla S... auto with air, etc..

We have taken it on many trips and she does get the 41mpg advertised on the window sticker without any special configurations...

A friend bought a Honda Si years ago new and was push 50 on his freeway commute.

As all the hybrids rolled out I just couldn't see it when both companies had such high mpg gas cars...
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #162  
Mom's only new car is a 2001 Toyota Corolla S... auto with air, etc.. We have taken it on many trips and she does get the 41mpg advertised on the window sticker without any special configurations... A friend bought a Honda Si years ago new and was push 50 on his freeway commute. As all the hybrids rolled out I just couldn't see it when both companies had such high mpg gas cars...
What you don't understand about the significance of the BMW is 425 foot pounds of torque and 5.7 to 60mph, in addition in addition to 43mpg, in a bigger heavier car. There has never been any car like it before. HS
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #163  
Mom's only new car is a 2001 Toyota Corolla S... auto with air, etc..

We have taken it on many trips and she does get the 41mpg advertised on the window sticker without any special configurations...

A friend bought a Honda Si years ago new and was push 50 on his freeway commute.

As all the hybrids rolled out I just couldn't see it when both companies had such high mpg gas cars...

I hear you ur. If you are mostly doing highway driving, hybrids don't gain you much compared to an equivalent gas car, and definitely not a tdi.

To me, the strength of a hybrid shows in stop and go city traffic, where you can harvest the energy from regenerative braking. In a straight $ sense, hybrids probably don't make sense unless you are doing at least 50% of your driving in stopNgo traffic.

One question I asked in a Honda showroom was "With all the winter salt we have, many cars have issues with disc brake hardware seizing up. Since the regular mechanical brakes on a hybrid are doing even less work than with a regular car, what steps have been taken to address that ?".

Didn't get an answer - not that I expected one from the average salesperson. I'd need to talk to a senior Honda mechanic to get a real answer. I haven't been seriously in the market for a hybrid, but in this climate it's a tech detail that's on my mind. I know (jealous !) it's a non-issue at your end.... I still shake my head at your comment one time "Rusted brake line ? Never seen one.".

Recently looked up the Prius mileage data on the toyota.ca site. Hadn't been there in a while. What I do have to commend Toyota for is dropping the cost of their hybrids, as production volume has ramped. Their lowest cost Prius is $20,440 Canadian. Once you put air+auto on a regular Corolla or Civic here, the price gap is not that far away now.

I know some people don't like a hatchback, but it's my preferred (from a utility standpoint) design for a small platform.

Rgds, D.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #164  
What you don't understand about the significance of the BMW is 425 foot pounds of torque and 5.7 to 60mph, in addition in addition to 43mpg, in a bigger heavier car. There has never been any car like it before - in the USA market HS

There, corrected if for ya ! ;)

I'd only have 2 issues with what you are driving 1) Affording it, and 2) Keeping my license intact. That's a nice ride :thumbsup:.

What most people need (as opposed to Want) is transportation that is Low Cost to acquire and operate.

DI gas is catching up, but the small low cost diesels that the rest of the world gets would be a great solution for people (like me) on a limited budget.

Rgds, D.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #165  
I thought Honda was coming out with a hybrid accord this spring, but still have yet to see it..

No matter what the mileage is on diesel, we still need to find an alternative to oil and gas due to the ever increasing cost in my case, so as long as they continue to work on continual improvement, it will remain to be a viable option in the future and prices can only come down as technology evolves, as we have seen so many times in the past.

As gas prices continue to increase, many people will make the decision to move to hybrids and electric cars if they think they can save money, this in turn will decrease the demands for fossil fuel, and possibly, keep the cost within reason.

Choices keep the market competitive, or a company (industry?) can just price itself out of the market of the average consumer.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #166  
As long as you have people wasting fuel by remotely starting their V8 pickup and letting it warm up for 30 minutes before making their 5 min drive to work... prices aren't going to come down.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #167  
As long as you have people wasting fuel by remotely starting their V8 pickup and letting it warm up for 30 minutes before making their 5 min drive to work... prices aren't going to come down.

LOL.... yeah, as a society, we're really Green, aren't we ? :rolleyes: Lady down the road here will often start her's twice, after it times out at 30 minutes.

I'd love to see national figures for how much fuel gets burned up every day by vehicles idling in fast-food drive thru's.

Rgds, D.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #168  
I've put about 8,000 miles between new rental Mercedes, VW and BMW in Germany over the last couple of years...

Like all of them... the BMW 1 series sport wagon was probably my favorite... fantastic mileage, fun to drive... especially the mountain roads and very easy to park which can be a problem with larger cars in Germany...

I would have bought one at the time I bought my 325it... it's just that they were not yet available for US export then.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #169  
As long as you have people wasting fuel by remotely starting their V8 pickup and letting it warm up for 30 minutes before making their 5 min drive to work... prices aren't going to come down.

LOL.... yeah, as a society, we're really Green, aren't we ? :rolleyes: Lady down the road here will often start her's twice, after it times out at 30 minutes. I'd love to see national figures for how much fuel gets burned up every day by vehicles idling in fast-food drive thru's.
Remote starting and waiting in drive thru lines are keeping fuel prices high? Oh-key-dokey. Careful, such ideas will make regulators jealous. :D
 
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