So much for a Nissan Leaf!

[Loren49]

My point again is the accepted definition is a PC talking point for those with an agenda, you except it as truth, not me! The idea that the sun is a renewable resource and oil is not is ludicrous. HS

HS - I used the dictionary definition and by it you are making up things. You also are having trouble with the definition of renewable. We could theoretically use up all available oil...example:there are "x" gallons of oil on/in earth and we use "x" gallons tomorrow. There will be much, much less than "x" gallons the available next day. The amount of solar energy available tomorrow has nothing to do with how much is used today. Please read the definition of renewable and try to see the difference.

I hope you're just toying with?????

I do accept scientific consensus over conspiracy theory in general.

Loren

 

[Loren49]

Yeh, so the same "educated theory" that reverses it's claims on "proven" science in very immediate times, can be trusted, or proven to be factual to 300 million years ago ?? The answer is no. That's why it's called theory.

Do you have any examples of scientific theory that has been adjusted by anyone other than scientists? And I would suggest that it is often due to advances in technology available as time passes.

Loren

 

[Loren49]

Let's try to keep this objective and work on the message and not criticize the messenger. I shouldn't have to defend my use of a current dictionary. Think about it??

Loren

 

[downsizingnow48]

Loren even the Good Lord Himself knew when to call it a day:

Matthew 7:6

Respectfully --

 

[Pilot]

OK, guys, this debate that won't be resolved here is getting pretty far out in the weeds. This thread started talking about electric cars, not how oil is created. If you want to talk about how soon we'll run out of oil or how oil is created, you probably should start another thread.

 

[Redneck in training]

I am an optimist. I think sooner or later there will be energy storage available that will make electric cars amd small scale energy systems practical to large degree. We already make all our power by solar so I am hoping that the time is comming when we could go off grid. We don't have electric car yet but when the right car (at least 120 miles range) hits the market we will buy one.

 

[Loren49]

Loren even the Good Lord Himself knew when to call it a day:

Matthew 7:6


Respectfully --

Thanks for thinking of me but your not on my end of the unreasonable and illogical statements. Nobody is forcing you to read my posts and you won't hurt my feelings if you don't. Bullying tactics need to be addressed. :thumbsup:

Are you really suggesting that when a few seem to gang up on you, that their claims and incorrect statements should go unchallenged? They put words in my mouth that I didn't say and claimed they knew what I was thinking. I enjoy a good honest discussion using fact supported references. Our opinions vary, our facts shouldn't.

Loren

 

[Loren49]

Getting back to the electric car, it seems that if the range fits your needs and especially if you can use it in conjunction with solar voltaics it will gain a small market. I agree with Redneck's analysis.

Also just because it won't work for me now does not mean its not useful for others. Just because I have no use for an F350 has little to do with its overall usefulness.

Loren

 

[houstonscott]

HS - I used the dictionary definition and by it you are making up things. You also are having trouble with the definition of renewable. We could theoretically use up all available oil...example:there are "x" gallons of oil on/in earth and we use "x" gallons tomorrow. There will be much, much less than "x" gallons the available next day. The amount of solar energy available tomorrow has nothing to do with how much is used today. Please read the definition of renewable and try to see the difference. I hope you're just toying with????? I do accept scientific consensus over conspiracy theory in general. Loren

When the sun goes down to night don't you have to wait till tomorrow to fill your solar panels. If the wind stops don't you have to wait for the wind? I'm having a hard time seeing the difference, in fact there is none. You are saying the sun can provided light 100% of the time! I'm saying no only about 6 hours a day some days none. I'm saying if we collect oil you get 100% for what is philosophically forever too. HS

 

[Redneck in training]

When the sun goes down to night don't you have to wait till tomorrow to fill your solar panels. If the wind stops don't you have to wait for the wind? I'm having a hard time seeing the difference, in fact there is none. You are saying the sun can provided light 100% of the time! I'm saying no only about 6 hours a day some days none. I'm saying if we collect oil you get 100% for what is philosophically forever too. HS

When you spread systems over large area you can say that the energy production is very predictable be it wind or solar. If there would be efficient transmission east west while there are 4 time zones. Then you can say that night is effectively 4 hours shorter. Also wind blows day and night. It is just matter of efficient long distance distribution and/or storage of energy. The storage is the last hurdle for wind and solar to become mainstream source. If every USA house that could have PV installed on the roof and could generate about half of their energy consumption, I think USA could take off line about 150 to 200 of 500 MW generators. Energy from wind and solar would also mean more and possibly cheaper fuel available for vehicles that have to use IC engine. Such as our tractors and HoustonScott BMW.