Some constructive criticism, please

[rdln]

He's right john I did not see that b4.

From my reply to your chain binder thread: <font color="orange"> With my lever binders I lace hooks through the attaching point and then hook them onto the chain so when I put the binder in the middle and tighten leaving a dangling loop of chain is just enough to say fit a coffee can through.
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But I can see that it is not written clearly enough to describe what I meant: <font color="purple"> "when I put the binder in the middle" </font> means on the chain inbetween the hook ends

 

[RobertN]

Interesting...

I completely agree with your description of the "X shape". Provides both front to rear and side to side restraint.

I run with four binders, one on each corner. Before, I did as you mention; chain one end, pull tight, and then set the other end with chains and binders.

I looked back at the Calif regs I poster to Dargo's thread. To paraphrase, <font color="blue"> shall be secured by at least four tiedown chains, straps, or an equivalent device </font> . It does not specify that each corner receive a binder, just that each corner be restrained....

Here are pictures of mine. The loader is raised just for the picture. Extra chain is not secure yet.

 

[RobertN]

Photo of front corner, poor lighting... I need my tie points on my trailer, as the way the tractor is chained now makes the chain go slightly forward, but mostly to the side. If I use the fron chain ties, then the chain goes directly forward and provides no lateral restraint.

 

[RobertN]

Rear of tractor, mower attached. Chain if attached to drawbar. Second tie off is identical on the right side.

New pto shaft safety cover is on order too, for those with eagle eyes...

 

[RobertN]

Rear of trailer, chains and binders to corners.

 

[Varmintmist]

You use binders to tighten chain, not for extenda links. Connect the chain on both ends, then tighten it with a binder.

Ask a truck driver how to secure loads. Cops only write tickets after you loose the load. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

You need 2 chains for the tractor. One through the drawbar to points on the trailer side at a SLIGHT angle, not all the way back.
Your front chain should go through a hardpoint up front or around the axel, also to points on the side of the trailer at a slight angle. If you go around a axel or through a point, cross the chain, twist it once. That will help keep it from slipping. All chains should pull down and to the sides at a slight angle from the center of the equipment.

Your implements should be secured seperatly.

As it is you have NO downpressure on the front wheels. Some on the bucket but not much. Your chain pressure is forward. A good bouncing curve will shift that load.

Let me put it this way. I held a class three lic. and worked for a blacktop outfit hauling equipment on flat trailers. I wouldn't pull that trailer as it is rigged.

 

[Varmintmist]

Sorry, didnt see this was a ressurected post.

Anyway, part of my post still stands. Binders are not extenda links. Anchor your chain on both ends, use the binder to take up the slack.

If your pics you have the handles of your knucklebusters hanging out over the trailer edge. What do you think will happen if you get to close to a guardrail or bank??

I'll tell you. You will hear clink clink clink behind you. That will be loose chain dragging on the ground. Hopefully the tractor will still be on the trailer.

 

[Deerlope]

Surfran, I don't know where to find that Info. I do know that the contractor that does work for me with his BH told me that is the way it is. Sorry that I can't be of more help.

 

[RobertN]

Interesting idea for the chain to attach at tie points, and the binder hooked to the chain to tighten it. I understand the concept. I very seldom see that here. Most CDL's whether hauling "stuff" or tractors/cars, hook binders to a tie point, and then the chain to the binder.

If you go through the draw bar with the chain, it does not count as two independant chain points on that end of the tractor. Although Fed-DOT allows for this, some states do not; California is an example where the tractor has to have four independant tie points, one on each corner.

That is a common point to these threads; regulations very by state. Check the regs for your state before you tow.

Your point that the chain should pull down and to the sides is good; unless there is downward pressure it is easy for the equipment to shift.

Good point about the binder handles hanging out there too. They'rer no good if they get snagged and pop loose!

 

[rdln]

I believe this is thee federal regs, I didnt find specifics on my state in the usual compiled laws, but they are referred to as rules governed by the Motor Carrier Division of the state police.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/cargo/cs-policy.pdf