Someone Please Translate This!

[Dougster]

From my 3510/4110 Owner's manual... It speaks for itself:

Please someone... tell me what this means!

Dougster

 

[MadDogDriver]

It's obvious Dougster!!! Well, sort of..........the depth increases. NO MATTER what you do

(how's your blood pressure tonight??)

 

[MtnViewRanch]

It means that Mahindra didn't have anybody that understood tractors or the English language on the day that that part of the manual was written.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Looks like mine. My draft lever handle is orange. With the orange lever back the depth decreases. If you put an implement on the 3ph and lower it all the way, then pull the draft handle back slowly you will find a point that the implement just begins to lift a little. At that setting your implement will just follow the ground lightly. With the draft handle less far back the implement will rest more heavily on the ground as it follows the surface. I find it very useful with a back blade. The contol senses compression force on the top link and trys to keep it in accordance with your original set point.
larry

 

[irwin]

he he he he-ho ho ho

 

[Dougster]

It's obvious Dougster!!! Well, sort of..........the depth increases. NO MATTER what you do
(how's your blood pressure tonight??)

Wise Guy!!! Come on MadDog... I know you know draft controls! What are they trying (and failing) to tell me here???

Dougster

 

[Dougster]

Looks like mine. My draft lever handle is orange. With the orange lever back the depth decreases. If you put an implement on the 3ph and lower it all the way, then pull the draft handle back slowly you will find a point that the implement just begins to lift a little. At that setting your implement will just follow the ground lightly. With the draft handle less far back the implement will rest more heavily on the ground as it follows the surface. I find it very useful with a back blade. The contol senses compression force on the top link and trys to keep it in accordance with your original set point.
larry

Thanks Larry. At least what you wrote makes sense!

On the 4110, I've also got to change the bottom pin location on the tractor bracket for my top link. It appears to allow the bracket to tilt. Does the 7520 require this as well? Is that for sensing or to allow the draft control to raise your implement (or both)?

Dougster

 

[MadDogDriver]

Larry beat me to it. Good answer.

Here's my Blue version of how to use draft control Doug, View attachment NH-TC35-40-45DA-Manual draft control pg.pdf
Edit: changed the pdf to include all 4 pgs from my manual.

 

[Dougster]

Seriously now.

I think.........if you move your draft contol lever forward you are allowing more strain to be sensed by the tractor before it tries to lift the 3pt to relieve the load. If you move the draft control lever aft (my NAVY talk comes out couldn't resist) then less strain on the tractor will cause the 3pt to momentarily raise and return to the depth you set with the position control lever.

Of course, being from the other side of the world it could be just the opposite, but that'd be easily discovered the first time you go out digging in the mud.

Doug I know you know draft control too, but for those who want a little more thorough explanation, here's a quick example, http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/nh-owning-operating/101142-tc55-draft-control.html#post1157990

Thanks MadDog... and I had checked out that other thread before posting. Needless to say, even after that thread, I could not translate my owner's manual into understandable English.

I certainly understand the concept... what I don't get is how it is supposed to work on my machine... and also, where do you set it if you don't want to use it??? That's what's confusing me the most! Or is it effectively turned off when I select the "non-draft" pin/mode on that top link bracket???

Dougster

 

[SPYDERLK]

All of my tractors 3 pin positions react on the draft sensor. Pin position affects the leverage and also the angle of force, therefore the sensitivity. Its possible only one of your pin positions interfaces with the sensor. You can probably tell by looking.
On rereading it seems you have described a lockout pin that isolates the sensor from toplink forces. I dont have that.
At any rate - - Pushing the lever all the way forward turns the draft sensor off.
larry

 

[MadDogDriver]

I know NOTHING about Mahindra's Dougster, just basics of how and why draft control exists. Draft control won't affect you until the tractor senses that level of strain you set it for and if you're not tilling then it will have no effect on your 3pt hitch since it's not sensing any strain regardless of where the draft lever is.

EDIT:
But to answer your question (as best I can), place your draft control lever to the position that takes the most strain for it to react (effectively turning it off, if you can't do so with your pin location). The opposite position will have your 3ph constantly adjusting at the slightest strain on it.

It'll be obvious when actually operating it, vs. translating your wonderful manual.

 

[Dougster]

All of my tractor pin positions react on the draft sensor. Pin position affects the leverage and also the angle of force, therefore the sensitivity. Its possible only one of your pin positions interfaces with the sensor. You can probably tell by looking. Pushing the lever all the way forward turns the draft sensor off.
larry

Thanks Larry - The pin I am talking about is not the actual top link pin. This is a pin located right below the three top link pin position choices near the bottom of that bracket. I'm guessing now that this design is unique to the 3510/4110.

Dougster

 

[SPYDERLK]

Thanks Larry - The pin I am talking about is not the actual top link pin. This is a pin located right below the three top link pin position choices near the bottom of that bracket. I'm guessing now that this design is unique to the 3510/4110.

Dougster

I dont think you should take that pin out. The bracket on mine pivots on that pin. If removed I think a load on the bracket would destroy something.
larry

 

[Dougster]

I dont think you should take that pin out. The bracket on mine pivots on that pin. If removed I think a load on the bracket would destroy something.
larry

It's an "either/or" situation Larry. Yes, you must have one pin in there... but it can be in either location. To quote from my goofy owner's manual:

1) For general implement: Use the Pin to "A" point
2) For Draft Control: Use the Pin to "B" point

That much is clear (as mud?)! The only question I have on this one point is whether this pin selection deal is just for draft sensing... or for actual draft control?

Bottom line is that I understand the general concept of draft control... but I am still foggy on exactly how this draft business works on my 4110. Especially the part about where the draft control lever should be (and what is actually happening as a result) if I don't wish to use draft control.

Dougster

 

[Dougster]

I know NOTHING about Mahindra's Dougster, just basics of how and why draft control exists. Draft control won't affect you until the tractor senses that level of strain you set it for and if you're not tilling then it will have no effect on your 3pt hitch since it's not sensing any strain regardless of where the draft lever is. But to answer your question (as best I can), place your draft control lever to the position that takes the most strain for it to react (effectively turning it off, if you can't do so with your pin location). The opposite position will have your 3ph constantly adjusting at the slightest strain on it. It'll be obvious when actually operating it, vs. translating your wonderful manual.

I think your last statement says it all! It's just one of those things where I need to actually work it to figure out HOW it works! The owner's manual is useless in this regard.

This just came up yesterday. After I regraded my steep gravel driveway for the third time during this awful road reconstruction work, I decided to use my rake to even up and smooth out where the old sidewalk used to be before they removed it. It ain't coming back (due to economics) and there is just a long, ugly, shallow hole there where it used to be. Just got sick of waiting for the town to fill it in I guess.

This is where I envy the old timers with a gazillion years of tractor and 3-point experience. I did okay... but I'm sure that a seasoned pro would have been more selective and exact about top link hole selection, top link length, rake depth, possibly angling the rake a little(?)... and maybe even draft control.

Dougster

 

[LAWALLSTRACTOR]

Doug,
Simply put, your top link bracket has 2 pin positions. The slotted hole position allows top link pressure sensing for the draft control, and the round hole position holds it tight effectively turning off the draft control. When not using draft, keep the draft lever in the forward position. When using your draft control, the draft keeps your implemint (grading or powing) evenly when cresting a hill or when bottoming in a gully. I hope you understand what I mean. Good luck with it.

 

[Dougster]

Doug, Simply put, your top link bracket has 2 pin positions. The slotted hole position allows top link pressure sensing for the draft control, and the round hole position holds it tight effectively turning off the draft control. When not using draft, keep the draft lever in the forward position. When using your draft control, the draft keeps your implemint (grading or powing) evenly when cresting a hill or when bottoming in a gully. I hope you understand what I mean. Good luck with it.

Perfect explanation as always Galen! Thank you! Why can't folks like you write the owner's manual and service manual???

Oh yeah... I forgot. You read and write English!

Dougster

 

[Keith_B]

Doug,
Simply put, your top link bracket has 2 pin positions. The slotted hole position allows top link pressure sensing for the draft control, and the round hole position holds it tight effectively turning off the draft control. When not using draft, keep the draft lever in the forward position. When using your draft control, the draft keeps your implemint (grading or powing) evenly when cresting a hill or when bottoming in a gully. I hope you understand what I mean. Good luck with it.

So, basically the positions 2-5 are the draft control positions, and 1 is position control only? Which position is the most sensitive and causes the plow to raise when pressure is applied, 2 or 5?

Will this also work when using a bush hog over uneven terrain?

 

[Kendall69]

I n english it means don't bother touching this lever as it won't do a thing up or down.

 

[Dougster]

In english it means don't bother touching this lever as it won't do a thing up or down.

I think that sums it up quite nicely!

Dougster