spare tire mount?...

[5picker]

The stake pocket D-ring conversion looks like a handy concept, and would work great for light duty tie down, However looking at the design and the way it would be secured inside by a through pin would either mean having to drill a hole through the stake pocket or either the pin would simply go through under the pocket, only have the 2 ends of the pin holding in the D-ring insert from pulling back out, not a good idea...

Why not?

Pins hold stuff all the time with just the two ends of the pin sticking through... look at the attachment points of most top links on a 3 point hitch.
Sure people can (and people will) bust anything. Someone could break that short chain in the linked picture too, if a person tried hard enough.
Just because someone might not secure a load with it verses attaching directly to the frame doesn't make it a bad idea.
We likely couldn't afford anything (or even be able to use them) if all things were made indestructible.
Anything you use... has to be used with common sense.... something a wise man said (my dad) folks seem to have less of these days.
Just sayin'

 

[deepNdirt]

Again, I think I'm being misunderstood! That of itself is a great idea and could certainly be handy in some lightweight applications as it is,
I only suggest that if wanting to use it with the most of confidence, One could better weld the pockets and perhaps run the pin through both the pocket as well as the insert, just as we would when installing a receiver hitch, Look at it this way, when the 2 pc receiver hitch was designed they didn't have the pin going through the backside of the sleeve only, it's design to go through both the receiver and hitch, via: locking the 2 together when using the design for a spare tire holder there is no real force pulling against it, only a bit of down pressure and the pin is used to simply hold it in so it don't bounce out,
I'm not knocking the OP idea at all, in fact I've always stated is a good idea, If I had a trailer with side rail pockets I might would make me up a few of these, But I would have the pins go through the pockets instead,:thumbsup:

 

[5picker]

Deep... I'm not going to split hairs with you but your statements come across as warnings.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion...

if wanting to use it with the most of confidence

Sadly, that insults my decision making process of using it the way it is just because you are not satisfied with its design.
I would not be any more confidant with this D-ring adapter configured like your photo, than I am with it the way it is.
I understand how/why it was made and I respect that.

You also said

...the pocket themselves are not welded in with the intent of securing heavy things/loads to,... With only having a couple of light beads down each side it scary to think about.

Scary to think about... seriously?
Have you given much thought to what else is attached to a trailer with a couple of beads of weld?
Think about the spring brackets for the axle where they are welded to the frame... yep... just a couple beads of weld... am I scared my axles are going to fly out from under my trailer every time I use it... no.
I could go on... but I won't.

We have to use common sense when using anything.
Just MY opinion.

 

[deepNdirt]

Deep... I'm not going to split hairs with you but your statements come across as warnings.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion...

Sadly, that insults my decision making process of using it the way it is just because you are not satisfied with its design.
I would not be any more confidant with this D-ring adapter configured like your photo, than I am with it the way it is.
I understand how/why it was made and I respect that.

You also said
Scary to think about... seriously?
Have you given much thought to what else is attached to a trailer with a couple of beads of weld?
Think about the spring brackets for the axle where they are welded to the frame... yep... just a couple beads of weld... am I scared my axles are going to fly out from under my trailer every time I use it... no.
I could go on... but I won't.

We have to use common sense when using anything.
Just MY opinion.

Definitely a Useless argument .................
By the way! your trailer leaf hangers have the load rest on them, and the leaf are to absorb any downward/upward motion, Not exactly compared to pulling against them with many 1000 lbs of force,

 

[5picker]

Definitely a Useless argument .................

Argument?
Useless... you just confirmed.

 

[deepNdirt]

Just so you Know and I include myself, the OP original topic is ( was ) about a place to mount his spare tire, so I'll leave it at that, My apologies to you Case485Guy , Incidentally: 5-picker, the Stake Pocket / D-ring adapter has already been discussed over on another thread if your interested in joining there,
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/trailers-transportation/249566-stake-pocket-d-ring.html

 

[Case485Guy]

No apologies needed for me. I have enjoyed reading the posts. Nothing wrong with a heated discussion, lot of good points made by all.

 

[5picker]

No apologies needed for me. I have enjoyed reading the posts. Nothing wrong with a heated discussion, lot of good points made by all.

Yep... I thought we were having a discussion too.
I always enjoy reading others opinions but when I was called out for posting useless arguments....that's when it changed for me.

 

[5picker]

...Incidentally: 5-picker, the Stake Pocket / D-ring adapter has already been discussed over on another thread if your interested in joining there,
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/trailers-transportation/249566-stake-pocket-d-ring.html

Ironically... not one person who replied in that discussion was concerned the pinning method would fail or were scared their welds would break on the stake pockets.

 

[wolfpack2]

Stake pockets are desinged as tie downs. That is their main function. Look at every semi-trailer flat bed and see how equipmnet is secured to the deck let alone steel coils.

 

[Case485Guy]

The stake pocket /d-ring tie-down could be useful. I know back when I was hauling hay-18 wheeler loads. We were loading out of ca. and bringing back into Tx. Loading Alphapha square bails....the local guys had thier trailers set up with D-rings, they would set the V-boards up and they had one synthetic rope attached at each corner of the front of the trailer and same set up for the back. the rope would reach about a 1/4 way on top of the load. They then use a ratchet come a long hooked to each rope on top of trailer and crank that puppy down tight. Withe V boards it would pull all the square bale up very tight. Jump in the truck and gone. Mean while I am still throwing straps and trying to get stuff hooked right for the long haul back.. I knew then if I was going make a habit of hauling squares alot, I was going to change stuff around and use their method. That little drop in would be nice option for something like that.

 

[deepNdirt]

While I never claimed to be an expert on the tie down subject, I'm not at all new to using and loading trailers having used one kind or another for 35+ years, I do still find out new things all the time, when seeing the pocket D-ring it just didn't register in my mind that having something like this could be 100% fail proof, I guess you can call me... "old school"..... I can assure you my intent was not to give incorrect information, but only a personal opinion, So for those who might be new to owning trailer and now scratching their heads over what you have read in this thread, I want to give a link to the actual safety regulation,
Driver's Handbook on Cargo Securement - Chapter 2: General Cargo Securement Requirements - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration