Split brake on B26

[crazyal]

My L3400 gear drive has the clutch on the left, brakes on right, and foot throttle on the right as well. Hand throttle is included too. If I need brake steering when plowing snow (and I do sometimes), I set the hand throttle then use the left foot on the brakes. Not much way around it.

My real peeve is the diff lock under the right heel, as if that foot doesn't have enough to do already. No good reason the diff lock couldn't have been under the left foot.

Sean

The diff lock is operated by the left foot on the GL40s. If on the right side it would be real hard to use. Personally I would rather have a diff lock that's more like the PTO, once engaged it stays engaged until you turn it off.

 

[powerstroke444e]

What hand lever to run hydro? So your saying you have a cruise control setting on the B26? I have a 2010 B26 and theres no cruise, nor was it offered to me as an option. Am I missing something?

Not missing anything I just built a lever so I could drive/creep when on the backhoe with out flipping the seat. I also use it when I am back filling so I can use the steering brakes. I have updated it since the photo but here is the link.http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/165639-custom-options-b26.html

 

[RobertN]

One thing I would note in regards to my previous message. I like the brake pedal layout for brakes on my NH better than my old Kubota. However, my NH has two pedals for the HST, side by side.

Although the cutting brake issue on the Kubota, I liked the treadle for the HST. I was easily able to keep my whole foot on the treadle, with toe pressure to go forward, and heel pressure to go back.

I have had my NH for a year now, and still try to reverse with my heal....

 

[bstrom]

O K, a disclaimer: I don't have HST or 4WD, and I mostly have employed my tractors for farming operations- plowing (dirt, not snow), making hay, loading manure, spreading same, etc.

Do these CUTs have a hand throttle? Because a foot throttle(HST or gear) ties up a foot- one that can be used to steer with the brakes! (when that same foot isn't stomping its heel on the Dif lock). Doesn't the 4WD overcome the tractor pulling right or left when plowing snow?

Seems like snow plowing is in the top three of tractor chores, and Kub/JD/ etc. must have given that job some thought. . .

The Kubota HST cuts have a hand throttle but it just controls engine speed. The Hydro pedal on the right (for forward and back motion) has a cruise control lever to lock the pedal where you set it. I almost never use that, just the pedal. You step on the brake to disengage it as I remember. The brakes are on the right above the hydro pedal and have a splitting lever. It's all pretty awkward in my view. In order to steer with the brakes the only thing that works for me is to use your right foot on the hydro and reach over with your left foot and either hit the left or right brake pedal (pedal connector lever is in split position). It will turn even in 4wd. I've tried setting the cruise control but with the brakes split you have to hit both pedals with your foot at once to disengage, I almost ran over a mailbox cause I only hit one pedal trying to stop and the cruise won't disengage. I think it's awkward and unsafe but maybe I need more practice. I think they should switch the clutch and brake pedals. The clutch doesn't seem to do much on a hydro anyway, you can make the H-M-L ratio and 4wd changes with out it as long as you are not moving.

Guess that brake pedal is on the right because most people use their right foot on car brakes even if it's an automatic and we are all use to reacting that way to an emergency stop.

 

[Jay4200]

I just don't get it. I was under the impression that the split brake was used to stop one wheel from spinning and send the power to the other one. But with all the pedals on the same side, how do you go about using the hydro and split brake pedals at the same time? Very confused please help.

I have a GST, but the gas pedal and brakes are on the same side (just like a car). While I do no farming-type work, I use the split brakes all the time while doing construction-type work.

I often pull or smooth a grade by backdragging with my bucket using downpressure so the front end is held in the air - all steering control is through split brakes. I've also lifted and carried significant weight with my backhoe, resulting in riding a wheelie for an extended period of time - again, all steering control is with the split brakes.

I have a steering-column throttle lever that I yank down to keep the machine driving. I believe the HST-equivalent is called "cruise control". So, I guess to use your split brakes, engage the cruise control and go at it. If that doesn't work, then you're out of luck.

I have a friend who has a B26 and he complains about this same (what's the opposite of feature?). I never ran it, so I don't know. I think JD puts the hydro pedal on the other side, which kind've makes sense, since you don't have a clutch pedal any more. What is on the left side of the hydros?

JayC

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

maybe its just me, but I have never found myself wanting to use the breaks to steer. I question why they even split them. The steering angles that they get out of these modern tractors is so good I can't see needing to do it. Now for traction.. that I get... but the diff lock does the same job.

 

[bstrom]

JAY4200 -


Look at the previous post -the clutch pedal, I knew nobody actually reads these posts.

 

[DAY]

The diff lock is operated by the left foot on the GL40s. If on the right side it would be real hard to use. Personally I would rather have a diff lock that's more like the PTO, once engaged it stays engaged until you turn it off.

The differential lets one wheel go faster than the other, when turning. Not a problem on dirt/snow/mud; the "faster' tire just spins. On asphalt not so much! Dangerous to your body AND your wallet.

jay4200 understands how us 'old timers" use the split brakes!

While I do no farming-type work, I use the split brakes all the time while doing construction-type work.

I often pull or smooth a grade by backdragging with my bucket using downpressure so the front end is held in the air - all steering control is through split brakes. I've also lifted and carried significant weight with my backhoe, resulting in riding a wheelie for an extended period of time - again, all steering control is with the split brakes.

 

[TripleR]

I have a GST, but the gas pedal and brakes are on the same side (just like a car). While I do no farming-type work, I use the split brakes all the time while doing construction-type work.

I often pull or smooth a grade by backdragging with my bucket using downpressure so the front end is held in the air - all steering control is through split brakes. I've also lifted and carried significant weight with my backhoe, resulting in riding a wheelie for an extended period of time - again, all steering control is with the split brakes.

I have a steering-column throttle lever that I yank down to keep the machine driving. I believe the HST-equivalent is called "cruise control". So, I guess to use your split brakes, engage the cruise control and go at it. If that doesn't work, then you're out of luck.

I have a friend who has a B26 and he complains about this same (what's the opposite of feature?). I never ran it, so I don't know. I think JD puts the hydro pedal on the other side, which kind've makes sense, since you don't have a clutch pedal any more. What is on the left side of the hydros?

JayC

As pointed out by Bstrom, there is still a clutch on the Kubota HST on the L Models; don't know about the B Series. There are some threads on why Kubota still has a clutch on their hydro, but I remain to be convinced and think a redesign is needed.

The only "problem" I see is that for whatever reason, some people are buying the wrong tractor for their needs. My sons and I have no problem using the L5030, but for me at least "steering brakes" are not important. I have used them, but can easily live without them.

I believe the bottom line is that for most of us, even though we "can" use the steering brakes on the L/GL, if our requirements are for regular use of steering/split brakes, we are probably going to be better off buying a tractor set up with brakes on the left or as in the case of some TYM models with brakes on both sides according to one TYM owner. That is the reason I do not recommend Kubotas for everyone as different people have different needs/wants.

As I have mentioned on previous posts, I grew up using split brakes on our farm tractors and now use them on our M8540, so I do not discount their utility, I just find our L5030 turns sharp enough and my uses general enough not to need them, so please don't try to "educate" me.

 

[bstrom]

The Hydro B series has split brakes and a clutch like the L's. I just use the split brakes with my loader snowplow because the steering isn't that great sometimes with that plow way out there. It helps but it's awkward.