sprinkler systems--anybody tried it?

   / sprinkler systems--anybody tried it? #11  
I have plowed in water lines with this old gopher poisner. You can glue your pvc pipe together & let it dry, then attach to the rear of this & plow it in, if you do not have tree roots or rocks.

Once it was plowed in, I could slide 100/150' of pipe through the ground as if it was laying on top.
 

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   / sprinkler systems--anybody tried it? #12  
Send me your e-mail address and I will send you a 15 page word doc with lots of links that will give you more than you will ever need to know about sprinkler systems.
jimc32@awesomenet.net
 
   / sprinkler systems--anybody tried it? #14  
I've put in a couple of sprinkler systems - always over-engineered and analyzed GPM, coverage issues. The first system was 1" black poly pipe - swore I would never to that again! It really didn't leak much but jamming 1" pipe over the fittings was a huge chore after you've done a few. Sch 40 PVC is much, much easier. If you have a big yard (1 acre+) I recommend ignoring the 15hp walk-behind trencher at $150/day and go straight to the 25hp ride-on trencher. I had my trencher for 8 hours' run time, was done with my yard in 2 hours then loaned it out to two neighbors who made long 3' deep trenches, finally returned it showing only 4 hours runtime. I could have dug my trenches to 4' if I wanted, but left it at 2'. I'm lucky to have my whole yard on a slope. I put in self-drainers and just open all valves for the winter. Haven't had a problem yet! Besides, it only takes 10 minutes to fix a broken pipe. I'm in Colorado.

I run a 50gpm pump from an irrigation ditch, which will run 16 big 35' diameter Rainbird heads simultaneously in the backyard because that part of the yard is 20' lower than the front. I usually run 12 heads at a time in the front yard.
 
   / sprinkler systems--anybody tried it? #15  
I'm in the process of doing that myself, and I'm looking into a drip irrigation system for plants, shrubs and trees.

Water in California, as everywhere else is prescious. Although I have my own well, the water is still not free since I have to use electricity to pump it. anything that will conserve on water is a benefit. I'm researching waterwise plants and watr conserving systems.

Assembling the pipe is quick and simple. I trenched well over a half mile of my property, some as deep as 4' on a ride on.

One Sunday, my wife and I borrowed a 10' trailer with a lumber rack on it and bought 1,440' of 1 1/4" Schedule 40 in 20' lengths. She pulled the trailer with our Jeep and I walked behind the trailer pulling off the pipe every 20 feet. She and I then glued up 880' of it. She primed it, I glued and stuck it togther. The whloe process, including getting the pipe from the farm supply store took less than 5 hours. We'd have finished, but ran out of daylight.

Just remember the 7 "P's" Proper prior planning prevents Pi$$ poor performance. You don't want to dig it up once it's in.

Enjoy it, and think of the self satisfaction and dough you'll save.

Joe
 
   / sprinkler systems--anybody tried it? #16  
I installed irrigation systems in Boise, ID for 8 years..

Starting at 8am with a crew of me and 3 helpers, we could dig the main, pull all the black poly pipe & multi strand wiring with a case mini sneaker vibratory plow, install the heads, controller, manifold and valves and have it adjusted and running before the property owner could get home from work /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Pack up, sweep up and leave...with the property lookin like we hadn't even been there without very close inspection...a few cut lines from the plow and squares of replaced sod around the sprinkler heads..

I used to get some real strange looks when I would show up at the property just after supper that evening and ask for payment...

"But I thought we agreed to pay after installation??" the owner would always say....I'd step into the garage and flip on the controller...many happy smiles as they watched the system kick on...

Lot's of "tricks of the trade" with sprinklers as well as any other profession...

Using "Oetiker" clamps, a vibratory plow, and a propane torch to heat the end of the poly to make inserting the fittings easier is only a few!!! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

GareyD
 
   / sprinkler systems--anybody tried it? #17  
I plan to install my own sprinkler system this year. I built a frame that uses either one or two ripper shanks mounted together to rip a narrow trench. It doesn't clean the hole out very well, but it's easy to clean it after ripping.

My problem is trying to source that new poly pipe that uses the snap / hand twist type connectors. The estimate I got from a sprinkler place was $1500 just for all the parts and heads (and I have a normal sized yard).

Ron
 
   / sprinkler systems--anybody tried it? #18  
I've designed and installed four irrigation systems here in southern CO for family members and myself, up to 1-acre size. I always use sch. 40 PVC for the pressure pipe (20" to 24" deep) to the zone valves, and 100-psi rated black poly pipe from the zone valves to the spray heads (16" to 18" deep). I use the auto drain valves in the poly branch lines and have had no freezing problems (poly pipe will flex and take some freezing whereas PVC won't). Of course, you'll need a way to shut off and drain the water upstream from the solenoid zone valves if they are the above ground vacuum breaker type.

The ride-on trencher is a great suggestion for larger areas like this...you can spend lots of time and rental fees fighting a walk-behind in hard soil. And be sure to have the utility company or locator service come out and locate the phone, gas, etc. Also, most plumbing codes require a reduced pressure principle type back-flow preventer, not just a vacuum breaker, to protect the potable water source if that's your irrigation water. And finally, get a good electro-mechanical controller that doesn't require a lot of reprogramming after power outages and dead backup batteries. Just my opinions and experiences. Lots of ways to skin a cat and design an irrigation system as indicated in the previous posts.

Bill in CO
 
   / sprinkler systems--anybody tried it? #19  
I designed and put in my own system using Schedule-40 PVC trenched-in for the main pressure line and black poly pulled-in for the zone branches.

I estimated that about 1/2 the cost of the system would be in parts, and 1/2 in labor. Since my labor is billed at $0.00 per hour, I did all the labor myself, cutting the cost of the system in about half.

Nice thing about trenching in the main line is that there was little or no digging to put in the zone valve boxes. It was also easy to toss in all the wiring into the trench. I used a Toro Tracked-Dingo with a trenching attachment and it worked great - plenty of HP to chug through the hard clay I have.

I pulled the branch line poly by attaching it to a subsoiler. I attached it by folding the poly over and tying it to the base of subsoiler with a few turns of bailing wire. I cut off the kinked end of the pipe after the pull. It ripped up the yard some, but only took a few minutes per run. Most of that time was spent dealing with digging a pilot hole and attaching the poly to the subsoiler for each run.

It wasn't the cleanest way to pull the pipe, but I already had the tractor and the subsoiler. To repair the surface where the subsoiler pulled up the dirt a bit, I just drove over it a few times with the tractor wheel. I did all the work before laying the sod, so I didn't much care how much I ripped up the yard.

If the yard was already sodded, I would get a vibratory plow and pull all of the pipe that way.

Toro has a design guide you can download from their site. They also have a free design service for do-it-your-selfers.

One thing I neglected in my design was the position of some of the trees on my yard. I ended up having to add a couple of heads to cover some spots that were "shadowed" by large trees close to the originally designed head placements.

My system was Toro-centric because my father and I both worked for them, but I would recommend against their controllers.

However, the Toro heads have a very good reputation. They have two lines - the commercial stuff and the consumer stuff you can buy at Home Depot. I put in the commercial stuff (model 700's and 600's) since the commercial heads have built-in filtration and I am pumping my water from a lake. Some of the later-added heads mentoined above were the simple spray type consumer grade from Home Depot and those have worked fine as well.

My system pumps from the lake at the bottom of my yard and pushes the water up 30' of elevation. I used a 1.5 HP pump. I designed for 15gpm at 45 psi at the bottom of the hill and 30 psi at the top. The zones were designed based on seperating shady vs. sunny parts of the yard as well as those zones that are on the top of the slope vs. the bottom.

The rule of thumb for even coverage is to make sure every head can fully reach its adjoining head. In other words, every square foot of grass is watered by at least two heads. When calculating the coverage radius, be sure and use the radius for the lowest pressure shown on the chart to ensure the system has a margin of overdesign.

I used 6 gpm nozzles for the full circle heads, 3 gpm nozzles for the 180-degree heads, and 1.5 gpm nozzles for the 90-degree heads.

I don't have any automatic drains in my system, but the PVC runs straight up the hill and can be gravity drained at the pump. The branch lines run across the hill and need to be blown out in the fall. The pump itself also needs to be drained and its suction line pulled from the lake before freezing weather is expected.

A buddy of mine who installs systems for a living took a look at my design and the only thing he would add would be a filter to prevent any sand/gunk from the lake from getting into the valves and heads.

One really cool feature that some controllers have (mine does not) is the ability to be remote-controlled. It would be very handy to be able to turn on a zone to check and adjust heads without running back and forth to the controller (and tracking mud into the garage) each time.

- Rick
 
   / sprinkler systems--anybody tried it? #20  
Thanks for the excellent post. This gives much needed advice as i will be redoing my system this coming spring.
PJ
 

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