sta-bil

[SkyPup]

"I recommend that EVERYONE use a diesel lubricity additive from here on out, as the new ULS diesel fuels are so low in lubricity, and have no lubricity additives required to be added back in, that we are going to see more and more damage to diesel engines in time."


LOL, Nothing could be further from the truth......


Oh and BTW, have four quart bottles of Stabil for 15 years now.....no crystallization either!

 

[bandit67]

LOL, Nothing could be further from the truth......

Then enlighten us!!! Your statement adds nothing of value to this thread!

I've been looking into this for the last year, and to this date, I cannot get any sort of confirmation that the new diesel fuel will have as good or better lubricity properties than the higher sulfur content fuel that is now being phased out. And everyone I've talked to in the industry locally says that they've heard nothing concrete about any lubricity additives being put back into the fuel by the suppliers. What has been confirmed is that the process of removing the sulfur also removes the lubricity properties from the fuel.

So, if you actually have anything of value to add to this thread, then give us a link to a website, article, etc. that might help us get a grasp on this issue. I'd love to not HAVE to put a lubricity additive into my diesel tanks at each and every fillup. But until someone can give us confirmation that we do not need to worry about the lower lubricity new fuel in our diesel engines, then I will continue to tell folks what I've found.

 

[SkyPup]

Then enlighten us!!! Your statement adds nothing of value to this thread!

I've been looking into this for the last year, and to this date, I cannot get any sort of confirmation that the new diesel fuel will have as good or better lubricity properties than the higher sulfur content fuel that is now being phased out. And everyone I've talked to in the industry locally says that they've heard nothing concrete about any lubricity additives being put back into the fuel by the suppliers. What has been confirmed is that the process of removing the sulfur also removes the lubricity properties from the fuel.

So, if you actually have anything of value to add to this thread, then give us a link to a website, article, etc. that might help us get a grasp on this issue. I'd love to not HAVE to put a lubricity additive into my diesel tanks at each and every fillup. But until someone can give us confirmation that we do not need to worry about the lower lubricity new fuel in our diesel engines, then I will continue to tell folks what I've found.

LOL

http://www.chevron.com/products/prodserv/fuels/diesel/ulsd.shtml#A10

 

[ccsial]

Oh and BTW, have four quart bottles of Stabil for 15 years now.....no crystallization either!

Maybe it has to do with freezing. I store my bottle in an unheated garage.

 

[Volfandt]

I've got about an 1oz left in a two yr old 8oz bottle and there are no crystals, just red fluid. It's stored in a large shop that gets heated on weekends but rarely during the week in winter.

Volfandt

 

[BCNU]

Bandit67 I also use Schaeffers products and just recently purchased a B2630 Kubota and after reading this thread it makes me want to add additives to my fuel. Better safe than sorry! Have you ever used the 137 Diesel Treat 2000 Fuel Additive that Schaeffers offers ?

 

[bandit67]

LOL

http://www.chevron.com/products/prodserv/fuels/diesel/ulsd.shtml#A10

OK, so that's a start. According to ASTM D975, the wear scar limits as tested in accordance with ASTM D6079 are not to exceed 520 microns. However, this document: http://www.enginemanufacturers.org/admin/library/upload/192.pdf
from the Engine Manufacturers Association wants ASTM to revise the wear scar limits down to 460 microns based on fuel injector manufacturers requirements.

That tells me that until the ASTM standard is changed, I'll be putting lubricity additives into the new S15 fuel that I put into my fuel tanks. Fortunately, we're still getting S500 as of right now, but the sulfur content in that could be as low as 50 ppm, so I'm putting additives in now.

BCNU,

No, I haven't tried the Schaeffer's additives yet, as I'm still working my way through the last of the Power Service. But based on my use of their oils, I plan to use the Schaeffer's additives.

 

[Ob1kubota]

Bandit you are right about Power Service. 40CFR 80.591d as of June 1, 06 requires labeling of all fuel additives compliance with the Federal ultra low sulfur requirements or not. As far as I have researched to date, Stanadyne
additives are the only approved and compliant additives meeting this 15 PPM sulfur content.

 

[Devildog]

I use powerservice in my diesels and stabil in my gas. Never had any problems with the crystals.

 

[Ob1kubota]

Just picked up a brand new 96 oz. Power Service Diesel Kleen ( the gray bottle) and the first bullet states compliance with 40CFR Part 80. The part number is 3041 and sells for 12.96 at Walmart. Check it out at www.powerservice.com.

 

[ccat123]

Whats the differance between the gray bottle of power service and the white bottle? Does it hurt to mix stabil and power service together?

 

[Pks]

I just finished a 10oz bottle of Sta-Bil. It was at least 3 years old and had no crystals. The liquid was green. Could it be that the red formulation causes crystals and the green version doesn't?

 

[Highbeam]

My crystals were dark red to brown and grown in the red fluid, I've never seen green stabil. I wonder if the exposure to oxygen causes the crystals since I take an ounce every few months year 'round when I refill my 5 gallon gasoline can. If a guy had a ten year old bottle but had never opened it then I would consider it preserved. The crystals are very obvious and sink to the bottom like gravel. They are not attached to the bottle and not apparently grown at the air/stabil interface as a crust. They seem to precipitate out of solution.

 

[DickS]

These guys (http://www.fppf.com/) have just about every base covered. I use the Total Power in my Duramax diesel. Uses 1 oz. / 8 gal. of fuel.

 

[ccsial]

I Emailed Stabil Mfg about the crystal issue. It took a bit because of vacations but this is their response:

"The normal shelf life of STA-BIL is 2 years. The observation of crystals in the product could be a result of the air in the bottle reacting with the additives resulting in the creation of these crystals. This product should not be used to stabilize fuel after 2 years."

 

[Ob1kubota]

Whats the differance between the gray bottle of power service and the white bottle? Does it hurt to mix stabil and power service together?

It's 6 Cetane rating Vs 4 and more important is the Southern man's brew... no antigel additives which probably reduces the Cetane value but can't get any data to confess this. Yankees better stick with the white bottle in winter months.

 

[Ob1kubota]

I Emailed Stabil Mfg about the crystal issue. It took a bit because of vacations but this is their response:

"The normal shelf life of STA-BIL is 2 years. The observation of crystals in the product could be a result of the air in the bottle reacting with the additives resulting in the creation of these crystals. This product should not be used to stabilize fuel after 2 years."

First I've heard this self life statement for STA-BIL Lots of it out there with Moms & Pops over two years old. I'd like to know if this two year rule is after the seal is broken?