Starter

[pruntyc]

I've got a problem. I was bush hogging with my YM 1700 today and smelled smoke. Looked down and it was coming from my starter, the front of it. So I turned the key off and it quit in a little bit. But I finished what I was doing as I didn't think it would restart. And of course it wouldn't. I does click, but that is all. I called a place and they say a new one exchange is $225. That most are charging even more than that. Is this repairable, or do I need to get a new one? I do need the tractor, but to me that is a lot of money.

 

[Inspector507]

Dick,
Welcome back. You know you'll get a good answer here /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I think any starter/alternator could repair it for far less money.

 

[pruntyc]

If I remember right, someone said once that there was a car make, that would work on it. But as I'm getting old I don't remember what kind it was.

 

[California]

Prunty, welcome home!

When I was deciding which Yanmar to look for, your posts were a valuable source of information.

I've seen several posts here saying an auto electric shop can nearly always rebuild your starter at minimal cost since the internal parts are pretty much generic.

The alternator crosses over to early Datsun, but I don't remember anyone ever posting about adapting a starter.

 

[sabo]

83 nissan pick-up,less than 50$.bolts right up.just run a jumper wire on it /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

[pruntyc]

Where do you run a jumper wire to? Is it wired differently?

 

[kenmac]

This place says they have yanmar starters yanmar starter good luck

 

[pruntyc]

Yes I emailed them, but they only do a search on Monday thru Friday, so will have to wait till Monday to see what they have. If that Nissan starter will work, that might be the best deal, as I can buy one at the parts place in town for $77.49. I'll wait and see if the guy gets back to me, on where I would need to run a jumper wire, and why.

 

[1danny]

pruntyc, I may be wrong, but I don't think you will find any Nissan starter with 15 teeth.

Danny

 

[allenp]

If my notes are correct, you can get the starter from NAPA. Have them check part number 91-25-1080 (Wilson Auto Electric). This is suppose to be a Hitachi S114-146, which is the same as Yanmar 124450-77010.

Here's the link to NAPA

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[California]

Allen listed what I think is the direct replacement. There is also another Hitachi starter with 15 teeth shown for Yanmar YM's and 2Q's. (2Q's are the 1970's sailboat engines that use the same engine block as YM1700 - YM2000). I think that model starter includes a reduction gear like a Chrysler starter and some of them are made by Nippon Denso.

To see one of these other starters go to
http://www.aea.com.au/shopping/index.html?target=Starter_Unit****achi.html
and search down the page to find
ASHI9050 Hitachi Starter
The one shown on that page is more powerful than the direct-drive standard Yanmar starter, 2KW instead of 1.3KW.

I think that was what was used for a replacement on mine - see my attached photo. It works fine on my YM240 (YM2000 equivalent).

I'm not certain about any of this - I simply offer it to help identify a broader range of parts that might possibly interchange.

 

[California]

More info on that alternate starter that fit my tractor, and should fit several YM's:

Yanmar's number for that starter is
121120-77010
and the nameplate on the starter shows
Denso
02800-5730

Putting 121120-77010 into Google leads to:
Electrical System Specialists
which shows a clear picture, and about 60 starter numbers that this can replace.

Google also returns
http://www.densoheavyduty.com/products/cross_alt.php
And scrolling down Denso's 'search' to 121120-77010 (but not 121120-77010 - Yanmar)
shows that the starter was used on ThermoKing refrigeration units (on semitrailers) as well as on Yanmar tractors.

So a ThermoKing salvage yard or dealer might be another source.

 

[jmf7112001]

why in the world don't you take the thing off and carry it to a starter rebuild shop. Around here I get the rebuilt all time for $100. It only takes two bolts and three wires and you got it off.

 

[pruntyc]

I may do just that Joe. I haven't got it off yet as I have the daughter and her husband here visiting for the week and they will leave Saturday, and then I probably will check the only shop that rebuilds around here. That is one of the bad things about living in a small town, but it has a lot of good points too.

 

[fig]

pruntyc,

I have a 1700 and I know that my starter is a Hitachi. Do not know the model number, but I will look after work today and let you know.

Fig

 

[pruntyc]

Well, I finally got a starter on my YM 1700. I took the old one into the re-builder, and he said the gear caught on the flywheel and burnt up everything in there, and that he had tried all over, and couldn't find the parts to repair it. So I looked on the web and found a new one, from DB Electrical, for less money than Napa wanted for a rebuilt one. I think its a Hitachi, but it doesn't have a name on it. But it works great.

 

[Tractors4u]

Welcome back Dick, long time no see!

 

[pruntyc]

I'm going to try to get on here a little more often, thanks for all the help.

 

[bruce1966us]

great that everything went your way. I try to not get use to that! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif