bigbull338
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i priced the stihl pro logger saws as well.an they was a tad under $1200.an i didnt need that big of a saw.
Stihl or Husqvarna
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I always thought like that too, but my Stihl MS-261 has a decomp, and it'll dang near tear my arm off if I forget to push it! The 261 is only a 50cc saw, but has some hocus-pocus in the cylinder design to make it outcut older/larger Stihls, so maybe something about that requires a decomp, not sure. It's definitely much harder to pull than any 50cc saw I have run before.
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The newer saws, especially pro saws, have some more agressive port timing and naturally run at a higher compression. Thus the need for a de-comp. Kinda the same way high-compression racing motors need a high torque starter.
Also, another thing has to do with the gearing of the recoil starter. More specifically, the diameter of the pulley the rope goes around. The way some are made, just dont have as much mechanical advantage as others.
Some of the older dolmars like the 116si, 120si, and a lot of other saws between the 111 and 120 have a starter that has a good bit of mechanical advantage. A saw that pulls 180psi compression is still really easy to start.
But my new 6400 (now 8400
) will jerk the rope clean out of your hand if you forget the decomp. Even at 64cc's and 180psi compression new, it would pull MUCH harder without the decomp than a 68cc 120si, even after rebuild and a low squish (high comp mod)
Also, another thing has to do with the gearing of the recoil starter. More specifically, the diameter of the pulley the rope goes around. The way some are made, just dont have as much mechanical advantage as others.
Some of the older dolmars like the 116si, 120si, and a lot of other saws between the 111 and 120 have a starter that has a good bit of mechanical advantage. A saw that pulls 180psi compression is still really easy to start.
But my new 6400 (now 8400
) will jerk the rope clean out of your hand if you forget the decomp. Even at 64cc's and 180psi compression new, it would pull MUCH harder without the decomp than a 68cc 120si, even after rebuild and a low squish (high comp mod)
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I went to the saw shop yesterday and Dropped off the 036 for whatever it needs. I started looking at the saws and I think I'm gonna buy one. Kinda pricey but how often do you buy a new saw? It feels as heavy as my 036 which feels like an anchor after using it for awhile. Getting older sucks out loud. My 170 feels like a feather after using the 036. Anyone heard any negatives about the 441?
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Our Echo trimmer and blower have been great so far. :thumbsup:
MotorSeven
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The 441 is a great saw and I have never read anything bad about them. For me and my firewood needs I just don't seem to have a need for anything bigger than the 361. I hear ya about the weight, that's why I grab that 192T a lot & use a 170 for carving.
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You dont like the weight of the 036, I would say the weight of the 441 is going to be a big negative for YOU.
The Husky XP saws are very good. I have a Husky 395xp and my son who is a professional logger in Idaho has a Husky 372xp he bought for home use and loves it. That being said the logging industry in Northern idaho is Stihl country. (Mostly 044 and 066's.) I have a Stihl 029 that I consider to be a great homeowner saw. I also have a top handle Echo that is an older model of the saw below. I just love the thing. It is light , easy starting and is a dream to carry and climb. If mine broke I would buy another tomorrow.
ECHO CS-330T 32.6cc Top Handle Chain Saw - ECHO USA | ECHO USA
ECHO CS-330T 32.6cc Top Handle Chain Saw - ECHO USA | ECHO USA
Chilly807
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I've got an 044, which is the predecessor to the MS440 and now the MS441.
Pluses first: I've NEVER used anything that cuts like this thing does, simply pure power. Fast revving, good balance with 20" bar, great acceleration. Sweet, sweet saw. Very smooth cutting, good anti-vibe. That's with 20 year old bushings, too. No decomp on mine, so you need to be on the right part of the stroke before giving it a pull.
Minuses: It's heavy, light for the power it produces, but still heavy. Nothing you'd want to limb with for more than 10 minutes. Other than that, and a thirst for fuel, there are NO minuses. I'm 47 and in reasonable shape, it tires me out working with it for long periods. The good part is that the job that would normally take 2 hours is done in less than 1.
A friend of mine has a Husky 440 (40cc), we were blocking up a big spruce together. He has an appreciation for performance cars, so I thought he'd get a kick out of trying the 044. I think the look on his face was the best part.
I'd have a tough time parting with the cash for a new one. Mine was $25, it was apart in a cardboard box when I got it.
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