Hey guys, I new there were a much more important things to discuss than my stuck (now un-stuck) 3 point shaft. I believe that the "positive beer factors" (B, C, I, T, N) are inversely proportional to W. Thus as any one of the positive beer factors increases, W becomes an ever increasingly smaller number. Eventually, if any one, or the combined product of the positive beer factors becomes to large, W will ultimately=0, thus the final number = 0. By the way, Bass gets my vote too ... John