Stuck Dozer - Help

[Todd727]

I don't quite get that.
Seems the track is stationary when at the bottom and going the wrong way (from the intended direction) when on top.
Now, if you're talking about chaining to the bottom... yeah, maybe you gain an inch for every inch of track spin, but it sounds a bit flaky.

The log becomes a really tall grouser pad that is tied to both tracks.

 

[cowski]

big log chained to the tracks will get it out .done it a bunch.it can be dangerous ,that is the only way to get it out without another machine.

 

[sodamo]

Thanks guys. I believe the other neighbor is to be on site today. I'm hoping the owner will join TBN as he has a bunch of neat projects he could share.

David

 

[duke7595]

In answer to your POST, of-course you chain the appropriate size tree to the bottom and walk it out.
Furthermore it was done on a D-9 struck in a bottom ,and it worked out fine, yes it took some work but anything worth doing does.
Also refer to another post made ON THIS THREAD, indicating the same method,
And for future reference, the only thing that is FLAKY is your blatant disregard of good manners.
GOOD DAY.

 

[sodamo]

Yup, it's a Cat 963 Z track loader and depending which spec you read in the 40k weight range. Sorry if I offended anybody., always appreciate a chance to learn.
Revisited the site today with the local guys. One feels he can get it out with his wide track dozer. Of course, some dryer weather would also be helpful.



Problem might be getting it on site. His brother has to recon the route for gate widths as he needs 12ft plus minimum or permission to remove some fencing, about a 2 mile trek across private property.

David

 

[duke7595]

Originally Posted by REG.
I don't quite get that.
Seems the track is stationary when at the bottom and going the wrong way (from the intended direction) when on top.
Now, if you're talking about chaining to the bottom... yeah, maybe you gain an inch for every inch of track spin, but it sounds a bit flaky.





SODAMO,
first let me clear up something. The post I responded to was not interned
toward you. It was in response to the ABOVE MEMBER REG.
I feel he over stepped his bounds. If any member does not agree with the
information, meant to help another member.
That member should have enough class to dis-agree with out using tasteless
wording.

Sorry for the mix up ,I should have mentioned the member by name.

 

[Bob Rooks]

Rule of thumb I use: Don't take yourself or others too seriously unless their house is on fire.

 

[bcp]

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[Gary Fowler]

My uncle got a D9 dozer stuck in a spoil pile that he was spreading on a ditch bank years ago. It was in what we called buckshot clay and very wet. The dozer had both tracks buried up to the operator platform. He had contacted a humongous winch truck that has at least 1 1/4" cable on the winch and a hydraulic operated tail end mounted dead leg that was supposed to hold the winch truck. After they got the 400-500 foot of cable pulled out and hooked up, he started winching in the line but it just dragged the truck backwards. My uncle had a large maintainer that had at least a 12 foot blade on it and they cabled it to the front of the winch truck and he set the blade down as deep in the ground as he could then started winching again. It started dragging all the winch truck and grader at first but as the grader blade gathered more and more dirt and the cable was singing like a guitar string the dozer started to move out of the bog. We were really afraid that the cable was going to snap and it made that winch truck bed snap and pop but it got the dozer out. Winches have incredible amount of power if you have something to anchor them down to.
Sounds like you need some type of rigging like that. A big dozer with a big winch and another dozer to drop his blade and anchor him.

 

[Bob Rooks]

Nothing gets stuck much worse that this.
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[boggen]

with others for putting blade down, to raise tracks up. then tossing some logs down below the tracks.

if you go look at some youtube videos, for "excavators" and digging out a lake. you will most likely see folks taking a few timbers and bolting the timbers together into a large mat. errrr little bit wider than tracks and a couple feet long. and the excavators will pick the mats up place them in front of the tracks on excavators. use the bucket to lift front end of the machine up, and roll up on top of the mats. and repeat this all over again.

the mats. help spread out the weight so the machine does not sink as badly. problem doing this for a dozer. is the dozer blade may not push down far enough to raise the tracks high enough. and you may not be able to get the logs / mats to climb down to the very bottom of the tracks. you may just end up lifting the front end of the dozer higher and causing a higher ramp the dozer has to climb out of. that ends up slicker than snot. due to tracks not able to grab a hold of the logs. and weight of machine. more on rear than on front of machine. due to angle dozer may end up at.

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strapping a log to the tracks, would be kinda like putting spikes on a car or truck tire, for better traction on snow. but in this case. the log would take a bigger bite into the mud. in sense you would be going from turf tires to AG tires. when a log get strapped to the tracks. you may have problem getting chains undone once log gets all the way to the bottom of the tracks. and have to manual dig and huff and puff to remove chain.

strapping a log to a single track. so log gets dragged under the track and creates in idea a solid ramp for that track to walk up on. big problem could be once log gets dragged all the way down. is un-hooking chain clear down in the mud. so you can continue to try and get track to crawl up the log.

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when folks say strap a chain, to the tracks, and then let the chain get dragged down below the tracks. is same thing as using a single log under a track, to act like a ramp. but the chain will more likely be easier to un hook and/or remove. due to a chain can bend. right around the tracks. problem is needing something to anchor the chain to.

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tracked excavator. more likely able to get itself unstuck. and keep on going. excavator more likely to easier to position near dozer, and dig around the dozer. both to free the tracks out of the mud and if need be create a ramp. but it may also help, as far as help lifting the dozer some. taking the weight the dozer is placing on the mud. so it does not continue to sink as you try to get it out. problem is finding places to hook a chain on dozer so you can push/pull/lift with excavator. perhaps there is a place on bottom of excavator between the tracks, were you can hook a chain on. and then toss chain onto dozer. and use both the bucket of the excavator and use of excavator tracks, to get some extra force. to pull the dozer out.

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if you are going to try and "winch" the dozer out. pay attention of how the cable / chain is ran. you might have some better luck, placing a small A frame near the dozer. so when the winch starts pulling. the dozer gets lifted up and forward, vs getting dragged straight into more dirt. look at some of the "tree pulling" threads here on the forum. were folks have done just that, placed an A frame near a tree. tied a chain near bottom of tree. then placed chain up over A frame, then low on rear end of tractor. the A frame transfer the pulling force upward and to one direction.

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if you really think waiting till middle to end of dry season, would really help getting the machine out, then wait.

digging a trench to help remove water from the area. may or may not be good. it can take some good amount of time, as in weeks to months, after digging a trench to help drain water out of the surrounding soil.

 

[Jd5203]

I have a neighbor that bought a used dozer a couple months ago. It is a Cat, but built for the navy, single ram 4 way on front. Forget the number, but neighbor says it is about size of a D7. It is tall! He hired a couple of experienced guys to do some clearing with it while he was on the mainland for business. For reasons unknown these guys take the dozer toward one of the streams on the property. Oh, Btw, this is still rainy season. So these guys get the dozer stuck and have to abandon it about 2 weeks ago. This past weekend my neighbor invited a few of us over for a look-see, hoping we might come up with a plan. This dozer is sitting at the bottom of a fairly steep, muddy hill. Dozer sits at an angle with the right rear track submerged in muck upto to bottom of the engine compartment. Did I mention there standing water in the muddy footsteps? The largest tree within sight might be 3 inches. The hill across the stream to front of dozer is even steeper. To be honest, I refused to take my Ck30 with backhoe down to help dig him out because I KNOW Id get it stuck. As I type this, there is no solution in place, it has rained an inch since midnight.

UPDATE: got neighbors wife to send me her pics. Any thoughts? She took these on a dry day. BTW, this dozer weighs 47000 lbs.

Current thoughts:

Try to dig and drain the water
Dig a ramp to rear.
Have a call in to another neighbor with another dozer

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Use your bucket, put on the ground, then tilt down like you would dumping in to a trailer. As your doing that have the tracks going so you can go forward.

 

[sodamo]

My friend is still awaiting word from the neighbor's brother with the wide track dozer.

What is difficult to see in the pics is the machine is just about a tracks length from the stream, meaning using the bucket and moving forward, the machine would then be in the stream, not an apparent improvement.

We might have found a source of 8 inch logs should the wide track not work out, but I think that is being considered a distant 2nd choice at this point.

I might add, it isn't any drier now than a week ago. Hopefully dry season is just around the corner. (fingers crossed)

 

[Jd5203]

My friend is still awaiting word from the neighbor's brother with the wide track dozer.

What is difficult to see in the pics is the machine is just about a tracks length from the stream, meaning using the bucket and moving forward, the machine would then be in the stream, not an apparent improvement.

We might have found a source of 8 inch logs should the wide track not work out, but I think that is being considered a distant 2nd choice at this point.

I might add, it isn't any drier now than a week ago. Hopefully dry season is just around the corner. (fingers crossed)

You can also do the same thing with the bucket and reverse, just do the opposite of my previous post.

Hope you get it out!!!!

 

[Todd727]

If it's still wet, using the bucket has the potential to make the hole bigger and sink the loader deeper. Once you get the starter underwater, you're in a much worse situation. Don't ask how I know all this.

 

[sodamo]

If it's still wet, using the bucket has the potential to make the hole bigger and sink the loader deeper. Once you get the starter underwater, you're in a much worse situation. Don't ask how I know all this.

That was my thinking too

 

[Reg]

In answer to your POST, of-course you chain the appropriate size tree to the bottom and walk it out.
Furthermore it was done on a D-9 struck in a bottom ,and it worked out fine, yes it took some work but anything worth doing does.
Also refer to another post made ON THIS THREAD, indicating the same method,
And for future reference, the only thing that is FLAKY is your blatant disregard of good manners.
GOOD DAY.

Your ability to read (for understanding) is even more flaky than the idiot who got the dozer stuck in the first place.
Remember, context MATTERS.

There is nothing SMART about getting yourself out of situations that you were DUMB enough to get into.

This has nothing to do with "disregard for good manners", getting dozers stuck is a dumb trick, partly because getting them out is subject to considerable risk.

I see this as analogous to student divers who ask what they should do if they run out of air at 100 ft.
Well, your dive buddy is almost certainly going to be more than two breaths away, so your choice is to either "NOT DO THAT" or ...guess what.

 

[slowzuki]

Those track loaders get stuck all the time, the cleat on their tracks are only about 1/4 to 1/3 the height of a dozers so they can turn sharp for loading trucks etc without tearing up the machine or ground.

 

[bcp]

How to get a stuck Cat D9 out of the mud:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpF2XJZh_GU&feature=related]Bad Day With A D9 - YouTube[/ame]

I wonder what the pull is on that winch.



Bruce

 

[Bob Rooks]

I'm sure you could play a tune on that wire. :laughing:
And I'm really curious how that Cat got down there in the first place. No excuse would be good enough.