Surveyors

[RonL]

Gotrocks

Measurements are given tangent to the earth. The practical application of the Pythagoran Theorum.

Egon

I just missed buying a T1. I've become fascinated with the non electronic theodolites. Incredible instruments. Kind of like breaking an old Belgian Browning.

RonL

 

[Junkman]

Mark.... a boundary line agreement wouldn't effect a county boundary line, since this should already set with a legal description. If there is a discrepancy as to exactly what or where the county line is, the counties involved should be the ones to come to agreement as to the proper legal terminology defining that boundary. Once that was done, in theory, your boundaries would also change to be consistent with the new determination. This also might be a reason that the counties wouldn't want to enter into negotiations with each other. Some land owner might get upset and start a legal action against one or the other counties, depending on if he was gaining or loosing land. It certainly would make for an interesting situation if the counties wouldn't want to agree to the determination and you and your neighbor were to do this on your own. In effect, you would be removing the terminology "along the county line" and inserting a proper legal description with degrees and distances. What would be real interesting is if the new boundaries were to effect the amount of land to the point that taxes would be dramatically effected on one side being less and the other side being more. The county that would be loosing, might get upset about the loss. I am not a lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once, so my "opinion" should be taken along with a few grains of salt. I make my statement based on reason, not legal interpretation of what is reasonable.. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Bird]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( one boundary is a county line )</font>

Is that (county line) used as the description of the boundary on your deed, or does your property just happen to be on the county line. I know of two counties in Texas that have been battling for a few years over just where the county line is. It should not affect the property owners except that I've heard some of them get property tax bills from both counties; each claiming the property is within their county.

Jurisdictional boundaries can certainly create some interesting situations. Several years ago, we had such a situation on the northern edge of Dallas. The boundary line ran right through the middle of some lots and houses. So those folks got tax bills from two jurisdictions based on the value of that part of the house in each jurisdiction. If a burglary occurred in the front part of a house, it was the Dallas police who had to handle it, and if in the back part of the house, the surburban city. Well, you can see what kinds of things happened. The two cities finally got together and did something sensible by dividing up the property each giving and each getting a little bit, so that each house was in only one jurisdiction. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif And of course the amount of land each property owner had didn't change, although I'm not sure whether everyone ended up in the city of his/her choice.

 

[Junkman]

I had the same problem when I live in NJ. Part of the property was in Orange, and the back half was in East Orange. It also had 2 differing street addresses. I got a tax bill from both and there was no problem with the division of taxes. The problem arose when I called the fire department for fire suppression services. Each fire department said that it was the other towns. After hearing this for the second time, I responded to the dispatcher, that I didn't care who came, as long as someone showed up. In the end, they both came and both laid down lines. For a while, I thought that it was going to be a dispute as to who's responsibility it was and the building would burn to the ground. I am not certain why either of them changed their minds and responded in the end.... it might have been neighbors wondering why it took so long for them to get there and repeat calls to them. Back then, there was no 911 system in effect and you would just dial "O" for the operator and tell her what department you were wanting to reach. They would listen in to the call and not allow you to hang up until help arrived. It also might have been her comments that awakened the dispatcher to the reality of the situation. The same operator place the calls to both of the fire departments.

 

[gotrocks]

Thanks Junkman and Egon,

So if my deed calls for 100 feet and that line goes up a hill that rises at a 36.9 degree angle (assume that's the small angle in a 345 triangle) then my pins will be 125 feet apart when I pull a tape up the hill.

Is that correct?

I just don't remember ever seeing elevations given on deeds or surveys unless they also had topo data included.

Seems to me if the bulldozer went to work before elevations were known then one would be back to "the old Oak tree" and the "big rock candy mountain" description.

If I have one acre on the "face" of the earth then at the center of the earth I only have a point (no length, no depth, no width). /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I really do enjoy this site, even when everything is serious. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[DaveNay]

SHUDDER I can't think of anything worse than having two fire departments argue over who's resposibility it is, meanwhile your property is burning to the ground. A matter of literally seconds can make the difference.

On the other hand....having a wife in the insurance business, I have become aware of the fact that if everyone is safe out of a house, then I believe you should just let it burn into the basement. You do not want them to repair a fire and water damaged house in my opinion. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Dave

 

[Egon]

Those T1's can be real interesting when standing on top of a mountain with mitts and down parks and cold wind a howling by trying to wait for a calmer moment to get the seconds right.

Egon

 

[Gary_in_Indiana]

As a college undergraduate I was involved in a little fender bender and someone dialed 911. We were on the road which was also the city boundary of a newly annexed section. County Police and City Police arrived within a minute of one another. A large argument ensued and someone apparently called the State Police who arrived and tried to referee the matter.

Just when I thought we had about all the investigative powers any fender bender could possibly warrant a County Park Police car arrived on the scene. The car which bumped me had been leaving (but still on the property of) a county park. He gets into the fray complaining that we had the entrance blocked (which we did) and told us to move our cars.

Through all of this the other driver and I had chatted quite a bit and become acquainted. When we were told to move we each got in our cars and moved them...a couple blocks down to a church parking lot where we exchanged information and went on our respective ways. I wondered for a long while after that just how long the jurisdictional dispute went on before anyone realized we were gone. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Junkman]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ............ I wondered for a long while after that just how long the jurisdictional dispute went on before anyone realized we were gone. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif )</font>

That was probably what the dispute was about..... who was going to write the accident report.. None of them wanted the responsibility and you resolved the dispute by leaving. They rarely argue who has the the jurisdictional authority to take over, it is usually just the oposite... who gets to go home on time without doing the paper work....../forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[RonL]

Egon

Similar circumstances are what provoked Heinrick Wild into improving the design of Theodolites. The last optical theodolites made in Switzerland before the advent of electronics and total stations are incredible instruments.

RonL