Well, after reading post after post about all features and benefits of all brands of tractors, I decided on a 29D 2 years 4 months ago. Great tips and advice from all the members here on TBN!! Here's my problem, just got the word my starter went bad after only 2yr 4mnts and only 380 hours!! Dealer took over 2 weeks to troubleshoot as I tried all tips to get restarted after it died after bushhoggin a pasture. Called NH direct to complain about service and then the price for new starter (395!!!!). Main problem is I am 1 1/2 hour away from most main brand (NH JD KUB MF) dealers. Has anyone had a starter go bad this soon and has anyone else found the parts for NH higher than other compact tractors?
TC29D dead starter
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DK35vince
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hayman,
My JD 850 starter did not fail till 1700 hours.
But the price they wanted for a new starter was around $390 !
I had it rebuilt for $100.
I don't know where these prices come from,I put a starter in my Ford pickup $40.(reconditioned)
My JD 850 starter did not fail till 1700 hours.
But the price they wanted for a new starter was around $390 !
I had it rebuilt for $100.
I don't know where these prices come from,I put a starter in my Ford pickup $40.(reconditioned)
Fly_Rodr
Silver Member
<font color=blue>Has anyone had a starter go bad this soon and has anyone else found the parts for NH higher than other compact tractors?
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I can't comment on strarters but I replaced brake shoes on a JD950 and the shoes were 75.00 per shoe. They looked just like the ones I use to buy for automobiles at 14.00 a pair. The dealer were I purchased advised they are about the same price on a kubota, he was a JD and Kubota dealer.
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I can't comment on strarters but I replaced brake shoes on a JD950 and the shoes were 75.00 per shoe. They looked just like the ones I use to buy for automobiles at 14.00 a pair. The dealer were I purchased advised they are about the same price on a kubota, he was a JD and Kubota dealer.
DVerbarg
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I had a post about not being able to start my TC40D. Received some great input that told me what fuse was the problem. Replaced the fuse and blew the new fuse. Took the starter out and tested it "on the bench" or more appropriately on the ground using jumper cables and it did not work. Messed around with it and it started working. Put it back on and it worked fine. Only 2 months over 3 yrs old! Stopped working again later that day. Ordered a new starter ($380, Ouch!!!) and put it in this morning. I was so excited, put the tools away, cleaned up and jumped on the tractor, turned the key and "pop", blew another fuse. Arrrggghhh!
Long story short, after a couple hours pouring through the new repair manual I bought along with the starter and doing some measuring with a DMM and a couple quick calculations I think I found a engineering fault. Don't know enough to know if it is just goofy, stupid goofy, idiotic or being penny wise and pound foolish stupid (or maybe I'm all wet and I'm the stupid one). The battery was weak. If the battery is weak then not enough voltage is available to get the solenoid on the starter actuated yet the voltage being drawn during that time of trying to get the solenoid actuated is much greater then 7.5 amp fuse (which seems to work like the old "slow-blow" type).
Don't know if this is your problem or not but you might want to check. I checked by using jumper cables from the car battery and it started right up (after replacing the fuse again).
Don't yet know if NH will take the starter back but if they don't then I may have a starter for sale!? /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif/w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif
NH will hear from me if they don't - since it is an engineering fault that caused me to believe the starter was bad - its counter intuitive, weak battery blows fuse but strong battery is fine?/w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif
I'll start another thread with my story and the quick calculations I did that make me believe this is an engineering mishap.
Long story short, after a couple hours pouring through the new repair manual I bought along with the starter and doing some measuring with a DMM and a couple quick calculations I think I found a engineering fault. Don't know enough to know if it is just goofy, stupid goofy, idiotic or being penny wise and pound foolish stupid (or maybe I'm all wet and I'm the stupid one). The battery was weak. If the battery is weak then not enough voltage is available to get the solenoid on the starter actuated yet the voltage being drawn during that time of trying to get the solenoid actuated is much greater then 7.5 amp fuse (which seems to work like the old "slow-blow" type).
Don't know if this is your problem or not but you might want to check. I checked by using jumper cables from the car battery and it started right up (after replacing the fuse again).
Don't yet know if NH will take the starter back but if they don't then I may have a starter for sale!? /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif/w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif
NH will hear from me if they don't - since it is an engineering fault that caused me to believe the starter was bad - its counter intuitive, weak battery blows fuse but strong battery is fine?/w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif
I'll start another thread with my story and the quick calculations I did that make me believe this is an engineering mishap.
jinman
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Dave, there is one question I am "dying" to ask you about your starter. You said in your post...
<font color=blue>Took the starter out and tested it "on the bench" or more appropriately on the ground using jumper cables and it did not work. </font color=blue>
You corrected yourself by first saying "on the bench" and then you said, "...on the ground...." Did you, perhaps, use the tractor's battery when checking the solenoid? Are you saying that if you had used a fully charged battery, the starter probably would have worked? Wow! Talk about coincidence./w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif That's one for the books. I'll store that tidbit of info away in my brain so I don't forget it. My battery will be three years old next year. The sticker on it says APR '00. Three years is a long life for an OEM battery. Replacing it might just save me from the Ohm's Law lesson you experienced. /w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Good luck with getting New Holland to 'fess-up to an engineering snafu. They know they have a problem in that area because they already changed a fuse to a CB on later models.
<font color=blue>Took the starter out and tested it "on the bench" or more appropriately on the ground using jumper cables and it did not work. </font color=blue>
You corrected yourself by first saying "on the bench" and then you said, "...on the ground...." Did you, perhaps, use the tractor's battery when checking the solenoid? Are you saying that if you had used a fully charged battery, the starter probably would have worked? Wow! Talk about coincidence./w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif That's one for the books. I'll store that tidbit of info away in my brain so I don't forget it. My battery will be three years old next year. The sticker on it says APR '00. Three years is a long life for an OEM battery. Replacing it might just save me from the Ohm's Law lesson you experienced. /w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Good luck with getting New Holland to 'fess-up to an engineering snafu. They know they have a problem in that area because they already changed a fuse to a CB on later models.
Wow, I think you may have answer the question of my mysterious blown fuse. The 7.5 amp fuse on my TC33D has blown a couple of times while attempting to start. The starter never turned, but in each case I had an additional load on the battery, such as the lights. My owner's manual says that fuse is for my flashers, but they work fine without the fuse. I asked my dealer, and without much thought they basically said that the starter draws quite a load, so I shouldn't have anything else turned on. The solution is to make sure everything is turned off before I start. I'll be sure to check my battery voltage if I ever suspect a starter problem. Thanks.
DVerbarg
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<font color=blue>You corrected yourself by first saying "on the bench" and then you said, "...on the ground...." Did you, perhaps, use the tractor's battery when checking the solenoid? Are you saying that if you had used a fully charged battery, the starter probably would have worked? Wow! Talk about coincidence. That's one for the books.</font color=blue>
Yep, I used the tractor's battery, which because it was only being used for the starter and not the preliminary glow-plug warm-up had enough "juice" to make it work.
Did notice that the new electrical schematic includes a 8amp CB that my unit does not include. I'm past the 3 year warranty so would not expect them to retrofit my machine but would like them to take the new starter back without a restocking fee. We'll see what they say this week.
Yep, I used the tractor's battery, which because it was only being used for the starter and not the preliminary glow-plug warm-up had enough "juice" to make it work.
Did notice that the new electrical schematic includes a 8amp CB that my unit does not include. I'm past the 3 year warranty so would not expect them to retrofit my machine but would like them to take the new starter back without a restocking fee. We'll see what they say this week.
DVerbarg
Platinum Member
<font color=blue>Wow, I think you may have answer the question of my mysterious blown fuse. The 7.5 amp fuse on my TC33D has blown a couple of times while attempting to start. The starter never turned, but in each case I had an additional load on the battery, such as the lights. My owner's manual says that fuse is for my flashers, but they work fine without the fuse. I asked my dealer, and without much thought they basically said that the starter draws quite a load, so I shouldn't have anything else turned on. The solution is to make sure everything is turned off before I start. I'll be sure to check my battery voltage if I ever suspect a starter problem. </font color=blue>
Glad to have maybe helped a fellow TBN'r. Am replacing what appears to be a 600 CCA battery with a 800CCA. Hope that this will make the battery last a little longer and give a little better starting boost for winter use.
Glad to have maybe helped a fellow TBN'r. Am replacing what appears to be a 600 CCA battery with a 800CCA. Hope that this will make the battery last a little longer and give a little better starting boost for winter use.
Thanks for all the insight!, but I went through the entire process of checking fuses, battery strength, and all the various safety items on the tractor. I did get it started by bypassing the safety relay on the starter and it started fine. After getting the labor bill of over 6 1/2 hours, I still feel the dealer in Ft, Myers FL took me to the cleaners! I called NH direct to ask them about any recourse and they were NOT helpful at all and were rude and arrogant about the problem I was having!! I now have completely changed my entire opinion about NH and their dealers they support. I will definatley be finishing up my use of the 29D and when time comes to go bigger (always need that extra HP!) I will be looking long and hard at MF, JD and KUB! I was really disappointed at not only the dealer but from NH corp as well! I am definately going to be getting that old starter tested from a reliable parts dealer to find out if it really is bad!
Well heres the latest on the supposed dead starter. I spoke with another dealer 70 miles north in Tampa and he suggested I put to old starter back on and see what happens. Well lo and behold I have myself 2 perfectly fine operating starters!!!!! I would appreciate any help and suggestions on how I need to proceed with this case. Should I speak with someone higher up in NH than the case rep? And should I call the dealer or wait to see what NH has to say. Needless to say I am pretty ticked off right now!!!! Any NH dealers out there that could offer suggestions would really be appreciated!!
