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[vvanders]

Thank you for this first hand report! The working people get abused by the excess provided to keep Tesla afloat and at their own expense.

All of those incentives are available for GM, FCA, etc to take advantage of. It's not like Tesla is getting preferential treatment. The only Tesla specific thing I'm aware of is a DoE loan that they paid back ahead of time *and* the tax payers made money on it.

The case above for business use is not limited in how it's applied, if you want to get a 6klb SUV you too can qualify for a $10-25k+ tax break which is way great than any EV credits. Heck if you make it a truck you can write off the full vehicle price.

How a big SUV and a home office can cut your tax bill - MarketWatch

 

[Redneck in training]

It was pretty funny though, reading the comments treating it as serious comment.

Those must be members of "Flat Earth" society.

 

[Sodo]

If they start moving freight ( and lots more cars too ) with electricity, where some portion of this electricity comes from wind, sun, hydro or any source thats NOT oil, wouldn’t that cause an oversupply of oil and result in a drop in oil prices? This could be a big win for consumers.

Why would a normal person oppose cheaper gas? Or why would any trucker oppose cheaper diesel? I don’t think they would. They must be listening to bad information.

If they’re pushing forward on moving freight with electricity there must be some real efficient battery storage coming (soon?) to enable this.

 

[dragoneggs]

Here's a research-based article that considers overall life-cycle.
50% was their conclusion overall for Europe with substantial variance by region.

Electric cars emit 50% less greenhouse gas than diesel, study finds:
Researchers calculated the total lifecycle emissions of an electric car, including its manufacture, battery manufacture, and all of its energy consumption


Also, there are several other interesting articles linked from that page.

Just to be clear... the article says 50% by 2030. That is a guess 13 years out in the future! I'm still asking for 2017 data.

On average, electric vehicles will emit half the CO2 emissions of a diesel car by 2030, including the manufacturing emissions, said Yoann Le Petit, a spokesman for the T&E think tank, which commissioned the study.

 

[Renze]

On average, electric vehicles will emit half the CO2 emissions of a diesel car by 2030, including the manufacturing emissions, said Yoann Le Petit, a spokesman for the T&E think tank, which commissioned the study.

Yup, and Al Gore told us 10 years ago the sun would burn us all down by now because of the greenhouse effect. Find out who pays for the study, then think again.

 

[two_bit_score]

Well, Elon has things running so efficiently down at the plant they just don稚 need any employees.

Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies - LA Times

Great job Elon!

 

[cqaigy2]

Well, Elon has things running so efficiently down at the plant they just don稚 need any employees.

Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies - LA Times

Great job Elon!

Not the first, and certainly not the last.

 

[houstonscott]

Tesla has lost $666 million so far in 2017. Not good.

 

[CincyFlyer]

Hydrogen fuel cells.

Submarines have been powered by batteries (diesel electric) from before when most people on these forums were born.

 

[Snobdds]

Submarines have been powered by batteries (diesel electric) from before when most people on these forums were born.

No. Just flat wrong.

We have something better. Nuclear reactors.