The Day of the Jackal

[czechsonofagun]

Yesterday I watched my favorite movie again:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069947/

Now, I am fully aware of the potential of .22LR - not mentioning the additional power of mercury in the bullet - but in real life I think I would prefer centerfire and bigger calibre.

AFAIK rimfire ammo is not as reliable as centerfire and shooting 150 yards or so - I would not bet on .22 here.

Just to emphasise, I am not an assassin - my only interest is balistics here

What do you think about the weapon Jackal is using?

 

[Egon]

Try and goup 10 or so shots at 100 yards with a standard .22LR!

 

[slowrev]

Depends on the rifle.

 

[Sigarms]

Perhaps not a long rifle in .22, but a semi auto pistol in .22, behind the persons head, about 3', three shots in rapid succession should do the trick. No recoil, and with a sound suppressor on that caliber, with any "side noise" you couldn't hear it if you wanted to.

Somewhat funny because I was in a "debate" here on this forum about what caliber you would use if you had to put your pet down. I was strongly agaisnt using a .22 on a dog to the head due to the issues of a "quick kill". On some two legged creatures though, could be the trick.

I'd haphazzard a guess and say more people are killed in a year with a .22 (accidents) than any other caliber. Could be wrong.

 

[EddieWalker]

I've never looked at the balistics of a .22LR before, but would think it's dropping like a rock at a hundred yards. 150 yards would be pure luck.

Not only is the bullet droping, but the wind will have a huge affect on where it ends up.

Now a .22 caliber bullet in a centerfire cartridge is a totally different story.

As to the effectiveness of killing with a .22LR, I'll tell you that it's used allot to hunt Moose with in Canada. Mostly the Indians use it since they don't have hunting seasons or restrictions. They just shoot a moose in the ribs and let it sufficate from the hole in it's lungs. The best part is the moose never knows he's been shot and will just keep on eating or doing what he was already doing.

My family is Canadian, and I've heard this story so many time from different relitives and people I've met all over the country, that I tend to believe it.

Eddie

 

[czechsonofagun]

Yes, Eddie, thats about what I was thinking too. Few years ago the DC snipers used .223 (Bushmaster XM-15)

Now that was scary time; I actually was very close to one of the shooting. Just finished at Lowe's loading two sheets of drywall on the top of a station wagon and passed the crime scene on my way home right in time to see police cars arriving:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/09/shootings.maryland/index.html

 

[GaryM]

My memory of the book was that it was a centerfire cartridge. My memory of the movie is the same. But I've not seen the movie in years, and it's been even longer for the book.

 

[czechsonofagun]

I dont even remember when I read the book last time, but I checked the movie again and on 46:50 there is a detail of the ammo - when the gunsmith shows rounds with mercury in it - and as far as I can tell, it looks like 22.

But I may be mistaken - it happen before in my life at least once

 

[czechsonofagun]

OK, picture is worth of thousand words

What ammo is that? It seems to be bit too long for 22LR to me, what do you think?

 

[timb]

.22 Hornet? Centerfire, but still a rimmed case if I recall. Over triple the power at 100 yards of a standard 22LR. 150 yards is well within bounds.

 

[sendero]

Those are definitely not .22 LR. They even look too long to be a .22 Magnum (but that is probably what they are), which is also a rimfire, but the similarities to the LR end there

From some web site:

"The .22 Magnum is a much more powerful cartridge than the .22 LR. At 100 yards its 40 grain bullet is still carrying 156 ft. lbs. of energy, more than the .22 LR develops at the muzzle (compared in 22" barrels). The flat shooting WMR can be zeroed to hit +0.6" at 100 yards when fired from a scoped rifle, and will give a point-blank range (+/- 1.5") of about 124 yards."

 

[Jimbrown]

Don't know what round this is? Probably a 223 but bet she might get you.

 

[Sigarms]

Looks to be a very hot round. I honestly don't think I'd mind getting nailed by that.

 

[RonR]

Probably a 223 but bet she might get you.

She needs to work on her camoflauge a little!

Ron

 

[sendero]

Don't know what round this is? Probably a 223 but bet she might get you.

It can't be a .223 because the .223 has a wider shell than the slug. A .223 is a d-a-m-n powerful round. My AR-15 fires them.

This is almost certainly a .22 magnum, which I'd prefer to not get hit with nonetheless

 

[ToadHill]

I've killed many a woodchuck with my .222 Sako at 250 yards and more. .22 centerfire rounds can have a lot of knock down power even at long ranges.

 

[GaryM]

My vote's for .22 magnum.

 

[mjarrels]

could be a .17 cal.

 

[3RRL]

Looks like a hand loaded WMR .22 magnum with custom mercury filled projectiles that will kill just about anything at any range

 

[Sigarms]

Rented the movie per this post, never read the book, few observations.

Guy actually walked the shooting zone to determine range, impressive.

Did not shoot the correct angle for practice, not so impressive.

Guy actually hits mellon at undetermine range FIRST time out with scope mounted on the "rifle". Heck at that distance, first time out with a new scope, if I hit in the "general area" I'm lucky!

Actually supported the gun against the tree with aid (rope) very impressive.

Subsonic ammo, over 100 yards, very impressive if he makes the shot.

Barrel has to be around 12" or so, with sub sonic ammo? again very impressive.

Guy sleeps with other man picked up from turkish bath house to hide from authorities, then kills man after he brings home a lobster? That's just plain sick. Why not kill him before you have to sleep with him?

Not a bad movie, liked it better than the "new" one with Bruce Willis.