The Path to 9/11

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turbo36 said:
Yeah that Dan rather is such a lier and information manipulator! He should be more like Rush because we all know he always tells the truth! (Well except for a little illegal drug use and felony doctor shopping) and certainly would not manipulate the facts to back up his mindless rants.

Significant difference, no one tunes into Rush for the daily news, its not his job. I would disagree with you about his character, but thats not important here. You need to understand the difference between reporting the news and talking about world events on a daily basis as a talk show host like Rush or Al Franken. Significant difference. What Rather reported ultimately got him pushed out the door. If you feel it necessary to talk about liars, don't forget the presidential finger pointer, that was the finger shake seen around the world. :eek:
 
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turbo36 said:
Yeah that Dan rather is such a lier and information manipulator! He should be more like Rush because we all know he always tells the truth! (Well except for a little illegal drug use and felony doctor shopping) and certainly would not manipulate the facts to back up his mindless rants.

I think everyone with half a brain realizes that Rush is from the right, has a certain agenda and has a definite tie to a political party. Rush flat out admits that to his listeners.

The same is not true of the prime time news anchors and media outlets. What the "average joe" probably assumes is unbiased news. I believe the prime time news anchors and media outlets should be held to a different standard to report the news as it is. No slant, no half truths, no agenda's.

I can't believe that the public didn't show more concern over the relaxing of the media monopoly laws in this country. I really think that each media outlet needs to CLEARLY list it's parent company. That way listeners can determine if they're getting "balanced" news.
 
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_RaT_ said:
Significant difference, no one tunes into Rush for the daily news, its not his job. I would disagree with you about his character, but thats not important here. You need to understand the difference between reporting the news and talking about world events on a daily basis as a talk show host like Rush or Al Franken. Significant difference. What Rather reported ultimately got him pushed out the door. If you feel it necessary to talk about liars, don't forget the presidential finger pointer, that was the finger shake seen around the world. :eek:

You may know that Rush is just an "entertainer" (his managers quote - not mine) but I would bet 90% of his listeners think it is the real news that the "liberal press" is not reporting.
What is the definition of "finger shake" ;-)
 
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gsganzer said:
I think everyone with half a brain realizes that Rush is from the right, has a certain agenda and has a definite tie to a political party. Rush flat out admits that to his listeners.

The same is not true of the prime time news anchors and media outlets. What the "average joe" probably assumes is unbiased news. I believe the prime time news anchors and media outlets should be held to a different standard to report the news as it is. No slant, no half truths, no agenda's.

I can't believe that the public didn't show more concern over the relaxing of the media monopoly laws in this country. I really think that each media outlet needs to CLEARLY list it's parent company. That way listeners can determine if they're getting "balanced" news.

How about the Fox network? Should Rupert Murdoch lead out every news cast with a statement that he will only report the good news for the Republicans and the bad news for the Democrats?
 
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turbo36 said:
How about the Fox network? Should Rupert Murdoch lead out every news cast with a statement that he will only report the good news for the Republicans and the bad news for the Demorcats?

Exactly. Report the news as it pertains to americans. Not how it pertains to the agenda of republicans and democrats.
 
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I think this is why we're divided almost evenly. You can twist any poll to prove any point depending on how a question is asked. You can find substantiation in any motive depending on where you look for supporting data.

I get as tired of hearing Rush or Hannity as I do of hearing Kerry or Gore. We all have basic values and nothing we hear can convince us to change those because nothing is black and white.

Regardless of what party you want to belong to I feel politicians have become more like royalty serving themselves rather than representing any of us. The goal seems to be staying in control of congress or winning that control rather than solving any issues. In the meantime those that want to destroy us sit back and watch it happen....not by their actions but by ours... Seems like we are on a runaway train...who's in charge?
 
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livincountry said:
Seems like we are on a runaway train...who's in charge?

The other guy!:D
 
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gsganzer said:
Exactly. Report the news as it pertains to americans. Not how it pertains to the agenda of republicans and democrats.

It won't be long and the Islamic News Network will gain a foothold in North American news broadcasting for all their religious followers.
 
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Ahh, we finally got around to THEM. :D

Some people say the Democrats are the problem. Others says its the Republicans.

They are both right but they missed the Real Problem, which is the press. I have NEVER seen a story about which I had some knowledge that the press got right or at a minimum they left out important information. And then you get into the press carrying the Flag Of Journalism which purports to be fair and unbiased. There have been study after study after study regarding news stories and how they are biased strongly to one side. The last study I read about came out of one of the CA universities.

In the early 80s PBS had a series of shows about the Media. The format of the show was that there was a narrator, for a want of a better word, and a panel full of experienced people The people on one show, about the Media and Military, included exPresidents, high level Congress Critters from both houses, Historians, Law professors, media anchors/editors, Judges, and high ranking generals/admirals.

This was when tension was high regarding Nicaragua. The narrator threw out a scenario about a country in Latin American whose name as very similar to Nicaragua but which I'll call X since its easier to type. :eek: On the panel was Dan Rather and either Jennings or Brokow. Can't remember which pretty much the same anyway. The following questions where asked to the "journalists".

You have a source. The source is high level and always right. The source tells you that the US will have a surprise invasion of X in 24/48 hours. Do you report this story?

Rather and the others said yes. No hesitation.

The narrator continues. Your source tells you that even if the invasion is reported it will go on regardless of the loss of surprise. Do you report the story?

Rather and the others said yes. No hesitation.

Your source tells you that the if X knows of the invasion US forces will suffer 10,000 dead and wounded. Do you report the story?

Rather, without hesitation, said Yes. The others waffled and said they would have to think about it. :eek:

At this point, it was a good thing the panel was sitting at tables because the only thing stopping the generals/admirals jaws from hitting the floor was the table tops. I think most of the people where shocked at the medias reaction. Even the, we have to think about it response, was appaling. Rather was most insistent that it was his duty to report to the American people this news. The fact that there would be huge causualities did not bother him at all. I find it enlightening his casualness about killing US service people in light of the press's focus on casualities during the current war. I guess casualities are ok if they make ratings.

The problem is the press...

If you are given bad information how can you make good decisions?

Later,
Dan
 
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turbo36 said:
You may know that Rush is just an "entertainer" (his managers quote - not mine) but I would bet 90% of his listeners think it is the real news that the "liberal press" is not reporting.
What is the definition of "finger shake" ;-)

I'll take your bet. I enjoy Rush, he has been making my day since October of 1984. :D Millions of us enjoy him and the many well educated people that call in. I have attempted to listen to Air America, but it just does not do it for me. It seems so angry and whinny over there. I also have the opportunity to listen to Tom Sullivan weekly, another great AM show. Rush is an entertainer, a superb, well educated one at that, just look at the ratings. :eek:
 
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