The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

[4570Man]

The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

Ah he's an old little guy. Probably set in his ways and quite alright with gumming it.

Teeth would be a nice visual and performance enhancement, but I wouldn't dare say it to his face!


That grapple has pretty massive bite force. Like 8000 pounds I believe is what was calculated in another thread. I'd guess his gripping power is still better than your toothed grapples.

 

[EverythingAttachments]

Re: The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

Ah he's an old little guy. Probably set in his ways and quite alright with gumming it.

Teeth would be a nice visual and performance enhancement, but I wouldn't dare say it to his face!


That grapple has pretty massive bite force. Like 8000 pounds I believe is what was calculated in another thread. I'd guess his gripping power is still better than your toothed grapples.

Agreed. It's a serious piece of machinery, but install both on compact tractors and see which one is more productive! I'm betting Wicked.
Travis

 

[IslandTractor]

I like it a lot! Two trending words in this thread: TEETH and GRIPPING!!! :thumbsup:
Travis

Baloney (I'm being polite). Teeth have nothing to do with lifting or securing a long tree limb. Grip is important only if you are using a clamshell grapple.

Scoop, balance and cradle (curl). A little top pressure to keep it from bouncing while you drive. Even a toothless grapple would have zero problem with that limb/tree. If you moved slowly you could even do it with no upper jaw and in some ways that would be preferable as it forces you to balance properly and you lower the twisting forces on the FEL.

Teeth are important when ripping or pulling on wood and brush but not really for scooping, lifting or carrying.

 

[EverythingAttachments]

Last Friday, I was talking grapples with a guy from NY and he ended up ordering a Wicked Grapple for his John Deere 4310 tractor.
After finishing the invoice, he told me his reason for ordering our grapple and even sent pics.

The Wicked Grapple is replacing this brand new grapple he just received from Titan, which, according to him, is useless.
We discuss tractor size with EVERY single customer who orders a grapple from us to ensure it's an ideal fit to their machine and application.
Travis

 

[IslandTractor]

The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

Last Friday, I was talking grapples with a guy from NY and he ended up ordering a Wicked Grapple for his John Deere 4310 tractor.
After finishing the invoice, he told me his reason for ordering our grapple and even sent pics.

The Wicked Grapple is replacing this brand new grapple he just received from Titan, which, according to him, is useless.
We discuss tractor size with EVERY single customer who orders a grapple from us to ensure it's an ideal fit to their machine and application.
Travis

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Agree with you wholeheartedly. That is a stupid large grapple for that tractor. What did the Titan weigh? I don't recall JD 4310 having a very strong loader. Hope you sold him the Compact

 

[EverythingAttachments]

Re: The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

Agree with you wholeheartedly. That is a stupid large grapple for that tractor. What did the Titan weigh? I don't recall JD 4310 having a very strong loader. Hope you sold him the Compact

It is 924 pounds according to their website. :shocked:

Yes, he bought a compact Wicked Grapple, which is well under half of the weight and plenty strong for anything his tractor can dish out. :thumbsup:
He will not only be able to:
#1 Lift it empty

He will be able to:
#2 Actually pick "stuff" up with it!!
Travis

 

[IslandTractor]

Re: The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

It is 924 pounds according to their website. :shocked:

Yes, he bought a compact Wicked Grapple, which is well under half of the weight and plenty strong for anything his tractor can dish out. :thumbsup:
He will not only be able to:
#1 Lift it empty

He will be able to:
#2 Actually pick "stuff" up with it!!
Travis

Whoever sold that Titan to him should be keel hauled. Probably cost a pretty penny too. They should take it back and pay the freight both ways.

 

[r0bg]

Just talked to the terminal. It's there now, ready to be picked up. Portland is way north of Medford, they somehow either put it on wrong trailer, or didn't get it unloaded when they stopped in Medford. Leaving the house in a few.

Great news, happy to hear they got everything straightened out. Whew!!

 

[lostcreekranch]

Baloney (I'm being polite). Teeth have nothing to do with lifting or securing a long tree limb. Grip is important only if you are using a clamshell grapple.

Scoop, balance and cradle (curl). A little top pressure to keep it from bouncing while you drive. Even a toothless grapple would have zero problem with that limb/tree. If you moved slowly you could even do it with no upper jaw and in some ways that would be preferable as it forces you to balance properly and you lower the twisting forces on the FEL.

Teeth are important when ripping or pulling on wood and brush but not really for scooping, lifting or carrying.

IT, why do you always manage to be wrong in your loudest voice?

Your experience is with a very small light grapple on a small tractor. Believe it or not, some of us use large HD grapples on large high lift tractors to pick very heavy loads. I can't count the time that I've picked up complete dead trees with many large and long limbs intact. If these trees rotated, once I picked them up, serious damage to tractor and maybe me could have resulted. The grapple teeth are what keeps loads in secured place.

You should stay within your sphere of experience and knowledge?

Your serve!

 

[IslandTractor]

IT, why do you always manage to be wrong in your loudest voice?

Your experience is with a very small light grapple on a small tractor. Believe it or not, some of us use large HD grapples on large high lift tractors to pick very heavy loads. I can't count the time that I've picked up complete dead trees with many large and long limbs intact. If these trees rotated, once I picked them up, serious damage to tractor and maybe me could have resulted. The grapple teeth are what keeps loads in secured place.

You should stay within your sphere of experience and knowledge?

Your serve!

I've also picked up plenty of trees ripped out of the ground with rootball intact. Often several at a time. You scoop them up, clamp so they don't roll out while curling and compress to hold in place. The tine tips don't usually even contact the trunk and it is the forward side of the jaw that holds the load not the tips. The bottom tine tips certainly aren't gripping the tree if you've curled properly.

My dinky little grapple is on a loader rated for 2760lbs lift. Find me a CUT with higher lift. 95% of tractors discussed here are CUTs not utility tractors.

EA makes a big deal about their laser cut sharp tine tips. Fine. Marketing will always try to boost a product based on perceived differences and will try to emphasize such differences. IMO they exaggerate the importance just like other manufacturers exaggerate differences for marketing advantage. Has EA ever shown us evidence that their teeth make any real world difference. No they haven't. Just marketing gibberish like green paint. (No worse than many other companies I might add)

The tips of the bottom tines on my grapple also have teeth but are less severe. They work for ripping roots and grabbing brush which is what they are designed for. In all the time I've participated in grapple discussions on TBN (12 years) I don't ever recall anyone complaining that their tines didn't have sharp enough teeth. It's a bogus non issue.

 

[lostcreekranch]

I've also picked up plenty of trees ripped out of the ground with rootball intact. Often several at a time. You scoop them up, clamp so they don't roll out while curling and compress to hold in place. The tine tips don't usually even contact the trunk and it is the forward side of the jaw that holds the load not the tips. The bottom tine tips certainly aren't gripping the tree if you've curled properly.

My dinky little grapple is on a loader rated for 2760lbs lift. Find me a CUT with higher lift. 95% of tractors discussed here are CUTs not utility tractors.

EA makes a big deal about their laser cut sharp tine tips. Fine. Marketing will always try to boost a product based on perceived differences and will try to emphasize such differences. IMO they exaggerate the importance just like other manufacturers exaggerate differences for marketing advantage. Has EA ever shown us evidence that their teeth make any real world difference. No they haven't. Just marketing gibberish like green paint. (No worse than many other companies I might add)

The tips of the bottom tines on my grapple also have teeth but are less severe. They work for ripping roots and grabbing brush which is what they are designed for. In all the time I've participated in grapple discussions on TBN (12 years) I don't ever recall anyone complaining that their tines didn't have sharp enough teeth. It's a bogus non issue.

Again, you really don't know much about handling very large trees.

 

[IslandTractor]

The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

Again, you really don't know much about handling very large trees.

I have moved many trees, stumps etc. I'm alive. My tractor is undamaged. My grapple works fine. I've never had an accident moving a tree. The trees are all either cut and split or sitting in hedgerows out of the way. Life is good. What's your problem?

Can't you figure out how to move a tree safely with an oversized grapple?? You're worried that a tree will rotate while moving? Do a better job balancing it before lifting. Clamp so it can't rotate. What are all those lids for anyways? If you can't move it safely then cut the dam thing in half. It ain't rocket science! The twisting forces and changes in tractor balance when carrying a long heavy load are not what tractors are designed for. Stop being macho man and cut the tree into sections that can be safely moved. Do you ever see loggers carrying a big tree around in a grapple? No you don't. Drag it if you don't want to cut it.

 

[lostcreekranch]

The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

I have moved many trees, stumps etc. I'm alive. My tractor is undamaged. My grapple works fine. I've never had an accident moving a tree. The trees are all either cut and split or sitting in hedgerows out of the way. Life is good. What's your problem?

Can't you figure out how to move a tree safely with an oversized grapple?? You're worried that a tree will rotate while moving? Do a better job balancing it before lifting. Clamp so it can't rotate. What are all those lids for anyways? If you can't move it safely then cut the dam thing in half. It ain't rocket science! The twisting forces and changes in tractor balance when carrying a long heavy load are not what tractors are designed for. Stop being macho man and cut the tree into sections that can be safely moved. Do you ever see loggers carrying a big tree around in a grapple? No you don't. Drag it if you don't want to cut it.

I give up, you just babble on about things you've never done and don't understand. If I keep tree from rotating I'm safe, tractor is safe.

If I wanted to cut trees up, I would just use my bucket, as I did before buying my first grapple.

You haul your Christmas tree to burn pile and think you are a logger?

 

[IslandTractor]

Re: The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

I give up, you just babble on about things you've never done and don't understand. If I keep tree from rotating I'm safe, tractor is safe.

If I wanted to cut trees up, I would just use my bucket, as I did before buying my first grapple.

You haul your Christmas tree to burn pile and think you are a logger?

So now you are the big expert??? Not! No logger would carry a big tree sideways in a grapple more than a short distance. Study the physics. Glad you have survived but it's a dumb way to move dead trees.

 

[lostcreekranch]

No, you're still the expert. You just have no demonstrable experience in anything beyond grappling anything bigger than twigs and sticks.

I'm not a logger. I take care of our ranch safely. If I can move a large dead tree, to a close burn pile safely, in one trip I save time.

 

[4570Man]

I don't have any pictures of it with a big tree, but we're dealing with machines of similar capabilities and I've never needed more grip.

 

[EverythingAttachments]

EA makes a big deal about their laser cut sharp tine tips. Fine. Marketing will always try to boost a product based on perceived differences and will try to emphasize such differences. IMO they exaggerate the importance just like other manufacturers exaggerate differences for marketing advantage. Has EA ever shown us evidence that their teeth make any real world difference. No they haven't. Just marketing gibberish like green paint. (No worse than many other companies I might add)
....bogus...

Guys, I'm past stumped here. It has been a revolving door of ignored justification for YEARS in this thread, and it seemingly will only continue to be as much. :mur:

In this 262 page thread I started on New Years Eve in 2012, have we not addressed this recurring rhetoric from IT many times? :newhere:
Yes: Just last week, I searched the TBN archives of this thread and posted replies and pics from IT's last case of amnesia.

Am I dreaming here, or have you guys(Wicked Grapple owners) not posted NUMEROUS pics which show "real world" benefits of having Wicked teeth? :anyone:
Not dreaming: My customer pics file consists of 39 folders and 1,505 awesome photos! :applause:

Has Ted talked about and demonstrated advantages in videos? :confused3:
Duh!

Have I posted pics of my father in law's brand new L3301 Kubota, which was purchased so he could have a Wicked Grapple of his very own? :dance1:
Yes: It's a rock and log gripping, vine ripping machine thanks to the serrated Wicked teeth design. :devil:

Have WE(You and I) not experienced this all first hand, with our butts in the operator's seat? :steeringwheel: :tractor:
YES! :cool2:

Maybe we should cave, drink some of the :hypnodisk: sour grapes Island Koolaid :hypnodisk: and accept this wonky Wicked Grapple idea's evident fate of failure... :tombstone:

Me: Takes a sip :drink:, leans back in chair :cloud9: and drops mic eace: .... :laughing:
Travis

 

[IslandTractor]

No, you're still the expert. You just have no demonstrable experience in anything beyond grappling anything bigger than twigs and sticks.

I'm not a logger. I take care of our ranch safely. If I can move a large dead tree, to a close burn pile safely, in one trip I save time.

And you seem to have a bad memory. I've posted plenty of photos of trees being moved on this and other threads. Check out the "ripper" thread if you need proof.

I still don't get your concern about having a tree "rotate" in your grapple. Curl, lift then clamp. Gravity will let the tree rotate before you secure the load. You do lift before clamping a big tree don't you? How else do you properly center the load to prevent tipping to the side? Clamping should only be done for travel after proper balance but of course you knew that. Or maybe you don't know that as your excessively wide grapple will give you a false read on static balance even with the jaws open. Must make discovering off centered loads exciting once you start moving.

 

[lostcreekranch]

The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

Guys, I'm past stumped here. It has been a revolving door of ignored justification for YEARS in this thread, and it seemingly will only continue to be as much. :mur:

In this 262 page thread I started on New Years Eve in 2012, have we not addressed this recurring rhetoric from IT many times? :newhere:
Yes: Just last week, I searched the TBN archives of this thread and posted replies and pics from IT's last case of amnesia.

Am I dreaming here, or have you guys(Wicked Grapple owners) not posted NUMEROUS pics which show "real world" benefits of having Wicked teeth? :anyone:
Not dreaming: My customer pics file consists of 39 folders and 1,505 awesome photos! :applause:

Has Ted talked about and demonstrated advantages in videos? :confused3:
Duh!

Have I posted pics of my father in law's brand new L3301 Kubota, which was purchased so he could have a Wicked Grapple of his very own? :dance1:
Yes: It's a rock and log gripping, vine ripping machine thanks to the serrated Wicked teeth design. :devil:

Have WE(You and I) not experienced this all first hand, with our butts in the operator's seat? :steeringwheel: :tractor:
YES! :cool2:

Maybe we should cave, drink some of the :hypnodisk: sour grapes Island Koolaid :hypnodisk: and accept this wonky Wicked Grapple idea's evident fate of failure... :tombstone:

Me: Takes a sip :drink:, leans back in chair :cloud9: and drops mic eace: .... :laughing:
Travis


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Yep, all true Travis.

We've seen this movie over and over and over. Maybe TBN is not for anyone with a bigger than subcompact tractors or a varying opinion?

 

[lostcreekranch]

And you seem to have a bad memory. I've posted plenty of photos of trees being moved on this and other threads. Check out the "ripper" thread if you need proof.

I still don't get your concern about having a tree "rotate" in your grapple. Curl, lift then clamp. Gravity will let the tree rotate before you secure the load. You do lift before clamping a big tree don't you? How else do you properly center the load to prevent tipping to the side? Clamping should only be done for travel after proper balance but of course you knew that. Or maybe you don't know that as your excessively wide grapple will give you a false read on static balance even with the jaws open. Must make discovering off centered loads exciting once you start moving.

As previously stated, you're the expert!