Theory of rear ballast?

   / Theory of rear ballast? #21  
One way to think about it is a dual teeter totter... [ even I am not to old too remember those.... ] If you have a loader tractor and have the bucket full of something, that weight is way forward of the front axle which is bearing the entire load. You can put a million tons of weight centered onto the rear axle, and that will not take any of the load off the front axle. It's all on the front teeter totter. But, any weight you add behind the rear axle makes the rear teeter totter try to lift up the front of the tractor and remove a little weight off the front. Since the front load is way in front of the front axle, you actually need a huge weight on the rear to try to make a difference. Adding tire weight helps keep your rear end on the ground and gives you that ' feel good ' experience, but does nothing to help the front axle/bearings/etc... If you are lifting a ton way in front of your front axle, you probably need a ton ballast 15 feet behind your rear on the 3pt to make a real difference... but that would not be very practical. So you have to try to do what you can. When lifting without and tire weight or rear ballast the rear of the tractor's weight is also transferred to the front axle, which really stresses the front axle. Besides loosing rear traction, the tractor rear can violently slam side ways pivoting on the front axle....... [ lot's of fun ]
One reason I love the BH on my BX whether I am using it or the FEL! Also why I am personally in favor of rear implements vs. rear tire ballast, not to mention my wimpy little tires on my BX won't add up to much filled anyway.
 
   / Theory of rear ballast? #22  
One reason I love the BH on my BX whether I am using it or the FEL! Also why I am personally in favor of rear implements vs. rear tire ballast, not to mention my wimpy little tires on my BX won't add up to much filled anyway.


Time for a BIGGER TRACTOR...!!!!! [ I always wanted one that you needed a ladder to warsh the top of the front tires... ] :)
 
   / Theory of rear ballast? #23  
Time for a BIGGER TRACTOR...!!!!! [ I always wanted one that you needed a ladder to warsh the top of the front tires... ] :)
Yeah me too... but how do you convince the better half that a larger tractor is needed for 1.5 acres. :confused3:
 
   / Theory of rear ballast? #25  
I do not use a rear ballast box. I have my rear tires loaded with Rimguard(1500# total) and use any of my several implements for additional weight on the 3-point hitch. This combo with my rear blade attached will allow me to lift 2750+ pounds easily and safely with my grapple. That's enough for anything I'm prepared to do.
 
   / Theory of rear ballast? #26  
FWIW here is the one I bought from DR Power. It is made in Pennsylvania. Most of the boxes offered for compact tractors seem to be 4.5 to 5 cubic feet: this one is 4.75. Very clever, useful design.

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Sand weighs around 100-110 lbs cu ft, concrete or gravel about 150 lbs, Granite about 165. I planned to put a bunch of granite rocks in (that's the native crop in New England) but they were frozen together so I filled it with sand. So all told this is about 600 lbs.

Before I added this, with a big log I could bounce the rear tires (which are filled) off the ground, which got a little too exciting.
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Now they stay put, with better plowing traction to boot.
 
   / Theory of rear ballast? #27  
I do not use a rear ballast box. I have my rear tires loaded with Rimguard(1500# total) and use any of my several implements for additional weight on the 3-point hitch. This combo with my rear blade attached will allow me to lift 2750+ pounds easily and safely with my grapple. That's enough for anything I'm prepared to do.
A pound is a pound so it doesn't need to be a block or ballast box. And sense some of your attachments stick back six or eight feet from the pins you get added leverage from them just they can be in the way if backing up in close quarters.
Edit to add: The picture I posted back at post 14 with the rock in the bucket. I had my cutter on the hitch which weighs 700 with a COG three feet behind the pins. It handled it alright but more would have been better but it was a spur of the moment thing deciding the tip of that rock had clattered my cutter for the last time. :)
 
   / Theory of rear ballast? #28  
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Just my opinion of course but a tractor without fluid in the tires is not ready to do any serious work or as safe as it should be. The one exception would be a tractor with a heavy (for the machine size) backhoe mounted most of the time.

Your definition of "serious work" is not universal. My B7610 does what I consider serious work for it's size (pulls a plow, lifts logs) without filled tires and has always seemed "safe". Not everyone lifts 2 ton blocks of rock. And for those of us who have to traverse suburban lawns unloaded tires leave less of an impression. When I have to move something heavy with the FEL I can easily put something heavy on the 3pt. When I don't I unload the 3 pt. Changing loaded tires would be a pain.
 
   / Theory of rear ballast? #29  
Your definition of "serious work" is not universal. My B7610 does what I consider serious work for it's size (pulls a plow, lifts logs) without filled tires and has always seemed "safe". Not everyone lifts 2 ton blocks of rock. And for those of us who have to traverse suburban lawns unloaded tires leave less of an impression. When I have to move something heavy with the FEL I can easily put something heavy on the 3pt. When I don't I unload the 3 pt. Changing loaded tires would be a pain.
Mowing lawns is not serious work. I have a riding lawn mower for that. And you don't change loaded tires, you just leave them loaded and stay off "Her " lawn.
Seems safe and" is safe" is two very different things and I don't want to ever find I was wrong about it seeming to be safe when I could have easily had it a lot safer every hour for everything except the lawn grass.
But we all here are our own boss when operating our own tractors and have to make our own decisions. Keep the wheels pointed down and have a nice spring tractor season. :)
 
   / Theory of rear ballast? #30  
Mowing lawns is not serious work. I have a riding lawn mower for that. And you don't change loaded tires, you just leave them loaded and stay off "Her " lawn.
Seems safe and" is safe" is two very different things and I don't want to ever find I was wrong about it seeming to be safe when I could have easily had it a lot safer every hour for everything except the lawn grass.
But we all here are our own boss when operating our own tractors and have to make our own decisions. Keep the wheels pointed down and have a nice spring tractor season. :)
Note I did not mention "mowing lawns", I have push mowers for that. I wrote
have to traverse suburban lawns
. My point was that when I need weight for ballast I can put it on, when I don't I can take it off.
 

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