Thinking 'Bout Selling the B7500

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TresCrows...I agree. I remember your posts when the BX just came out...at that time I had a B7500. I used the B7500 on my 63 acres!!! and it was the perfect size at the time. I see everyone reccomend..."Buy large" as opposed to buy what will work good. I have also been looking at the lot size of many people here now and I see people using 30hp+ tracotrs on 1 acre!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
   / Thinking 'Bout Selling the B7500 #22  
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I (like many others, as I recall) was looking at riding mowers and talked myself "up" to a BX2200. In doing so however; I gained many many valuable assets. Not the least of which is the loader. The rear blade, a lawn utility machine which has helped me do goofy things like putting torque on a steel TV antenna pole as I cut it with a sawzall. It gives me great versatility and cuts the lawn very nicely (in a 60" swath none the less).

That said, as I tried to talk myself in to a 7610 or 7800 (assuming my offer for the land is accepted in the next day or so), I found that it really didn't "do" anything new. It was bigger, and heavier and more powerfull, but in general, it was more of the same.

I'm getting a toothbar and a brush hog and I'll see what I can make of it. Perhaps I'll change my tune when I get it out in the brush, but I doubt it. I've never heard the "Botaconstrictor" complain yet!!! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
   / Thinking 'Bout Selling the B7500 #23  
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I loved my B7500....a wonderful machine. But my needs now are for a nice finsh cut lawn. With the 7500 I used a bushhog all of the time. I then decided with my new property a ZTR to mow fast was the answer....yes, it mows fast..super fast...BUT, the seat time is not like "Tractor" seat time.
 
   / Thinking 'Bout Selling the B7500 #24  
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Hmmm

Well, I've been fighting off the 'bota bug alot lately. I see the B7510 and BX 2230 and think: "Wouldn't that be nice." Then I see the prices, which really make me re-examine my needs.

I live on 5+ acres of which I keep about 4 acres manicured, while the rest is under water (my pond).

I have a Husqvarna 50" with 24hp Kohler, which takes care of the "yard". I also have an old Murray 42" with 14.5 hp B&S (now in its 11th season) which takes care of any "rough" mowing, such as the ditches and right along the edge of the creek.

My "big" Ford tractor with 72" RFM does a fair job of the rest of the place, but it doesn't cut as nice as my Husqvarna... just faster.

What I really want is something that will mow both fast and "pretty"... So, I've been thinking, and looking, and pricing and using the wife as a sounding board until she told me to go howl at the moon!

So I did and the "moon" helped me find a solution to my "need" for different equipment. I'm keeping my "old" Ford tractor (with all of its implements) but now I'm shopping for the best price on a Scag Wildcat ZTR to take over the mowing.

My tractor can handle the rest.

Hey, it worked for moon. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Thinking 'Bout Selling the B7500
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I guess I really shouldn't have posted originally because this post has gone way off base. This was not meant to be a debate on what size tractor is needed for a particular size yard. Too big in reference to compact utility tractors is merely ones interpretation of TOO BIG. I could have bought a smaller GARDEN tractor with a 48" or 54" deck, but it would have been a dedicated mowing unit. I do everything myself, and to spend the money on a unit I would own, rather than having a bunch of rental receipts to show after my work, I opted for the tractor with a loader that could , and has, saved by back many times over.

At the time I purchased, the only subcompact was the BX... and the uncomparable JD 500X series. I really did not want bigger. When I compared the BX to the B series, the peanut difference in cost was worth the additional versatility, loader capacity, and resale of the B series. The small JD was not an option as the cost was right up there with the BX when comparably equipped, and the loader in my eyes was a waste of money for it's capabilities. Besides, I figured that if I needed to sell a used B7500, it would move. A glorified garden tractor with a loader most likely would not - especially in my area. Included in my decision, was the fact that my wife and I were anticipating a move to at least 5 acres in the next few years, and I couldn't see doing the buy-sell-buy game again in a few years if I could stomach the B7500.

Back to your post. I think you are getting a little out of touch here. HUGE tractors kill grass if they are HUGE TRACTORS... not CUT's. I live in an area where sod farms are a plenty, and if you look at the size of the tires on their TRACTORS, you will see they are wide to displace the weight across a broader area. Now, if you look at the size of the tire on a BX versus a B, the tires are substantially larger on the B, AND the weight netween the two units IS peanuts. Granted, if I was running ag tires or industrials, the weight may make a difference, but to say a 1500 # to 2000# tractor is not good for mowing and keeping a manicured lawn is wrong. I am sure that if you take the weight displacement per square inch on a tire on a garden tractor, or the BX for that matter, and compared it to that of the B7500 series, the weights will not be much different. And if they are, it will not be worth the time spent figuring it. And let's not forget that a whole bunch of things come in to play here. Larger tire diameters are easier on turf than small ones, and so are wider tires. Yes, my diesel weighs more, but you don't see 4-inch wide tires on the front end, either.

I firmly believe the majority of the quality of the lawn is based upon the mower itself. The BX is suspended, so it is carried by the tractor. The B is a ground contact mower, so it rides on the turf. The BX might, in essence, has large rubber tires (the tractors) guiding it over the terrain, wher the B has little castors that are more likely to roll into the divets and ruts the BX would pass over (or not bounce over).

Since I posted originally, I have spent a bit of time looking at the whole scenario. I guess I shouldn't expect Wrigley Field unless I want to physically regrade and reseed. Not that I am mowing a rutted field, but the castors on the 60"MMM do make the mower ride rougher than a suspended deck, and to compensate, I have slowed the mowing pace down. As far as the "flattened grass" issue, the B7500/60" MMM has more than enough lift to pull up the grass blades that are "flattened" by the HUGE TRACTOR rolling over them.

I remember the 35-year old Allis-Chalmers garden tractor I mowed with for years did a nicer job mowing than this Kubota. But, it's little front tires chewed up the turf, it took over twice the turning diameter the B7500 does (this still baffles me), it took three times the time to cut the yard, and it was draining my pocketbook weekly.

Thank you to all who posted on this matter. TresCrows, I am not picking on you, I just think BIG is a relative thing. Yes, my neighbors may think I'm stupid for having the BIG B7500, but it always seems that they have projects that could use a unit like mine. Hmmmmm. And while they are still mowing, I am taking the extra hours I've saved to enjoy time with my family. Someone posted that if I like 90% of the tractor then I should the 10% I don't like. I actually think that now I have looked a little harder, the 10% may be related to the turf conditions. I started spraying last year, and fertilized this year. It is probably just going to take some time to build up a thick turf that the Bota can trim into shape. As far as the front tires making their marks around the trees, I guess that is something I'll just have to live with until I can find a softer-edged tire.
 
   / Thinking 'Bout Selling the B7500 #26  
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"Back to your post. I think you are getting a little out of touch here. HUGE tractors kill grass if they are HUGE TRACTORS... not CUT's. I live in an area where sod farms are a plenty, and if you look at the size of the tires on their TRACTORS, you will see they are wide to displace the weight across a broader area."

Well, guess your arguing with yourself, not me /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif. I am not the one discovering the worn areas around my trees etc from the front wheels as you described in your initial post. That has nothing to do with the mower deck and everything to do with the tires and tractor weight. Hopefully you will come to a solution that suits you /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif. I won't suggest anything further. J
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Well, guess your arguing with yourself, not me . I am not the one discovering the worn areas around my trees etc from the front wheels as you described in your initial post. That has nothing to do with the mower deck and everything to do with the tires and tractor weight. Hopefully you will come to a solution that suits you . I won't suggest anything further. J )</font>

Not looking to argue, but if I am, I guess I am arguing with myself and the other half won't listen. /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif I appreciate your input. After all, if I wasn't looking for it, I wouldn't have posted .

My initial post was suppose to be directed more toward the cut the MMM provides being a contact mower over the suspended. Like I last posted, I am thinking I need to address the root problem... the grass quality. After all, the best mower in the world can't make dirt want to grow grass. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Yes, the worn tire rings are an issue, and I fully agree they are resultant of the tires, and yes, maybe the weight, too. I just see that when I turn, the tires lean outward on the top and due to the sharp edge of the tire they cut and maybe slide a titch resulting in slicing the grass. I recently realized this when I turn on asphalt how the tires leave a black stripe on the driveway. I think a more balloon style tire would be better, like on the B7800's and 2710's, but my seach for a proper size has been unsucessful.

Anyway, as I said, please comment. That's why we are here. Maybe I should have used more "instant faces" to convey my attitude. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Thinking 'Bout Selling the B7500 #28  
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Here's more food for thought. The BX22 weighs more than the B7500 and B2410 (per the Kubota brochures). My BX22 is incredibly "light on its feet", so to speak, and does a great job mowing, without doing damage in the turns. My only gripe is that the 60" MMM is large/wide enough that when you traverse a steep, yet shallow grade, the outside lower anti scalp wheel will kind of "dig in" and tear up the grass -- this is at 3.5" height with the rollers adjusted accordingly. On the other hand, I think that this is a problem inherent in any wider deck design, not just the BX's.
 
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"A glorified garden tractor with a loader most likely would not -"

Uhhh... ok. A BX is a glorified garden tractor with a loader? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Sheesh!

Keep the B7500. Start airating. And bow to the BX gods for forgivness, lest ye be dispatched with heavenly force!!! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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I think he was referring to the Deere X series.
 

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