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[4570Man]

Why did the drone thread get locked? I know everyone was complaining like a bunch of butt hurt 15 year old girls, but I didn't see anything too bad.

 

[BigBoyToys]

Reading through some of the threads where guys are having problems with their "REGENs" have discussed the "Lemon Law" as it pertains to tractors. It seems it does not apply in most states for anything except passenger cars, vans and trucks.

Here's a link with a general overview by state... https://www.carlemon.com/lemons.html#MI

DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT SHOULDN'T!!!
Most tractors are big $$$ purchases.

 

[Fuggley]

... The rod that comes out of the transmission that controls f/r has broke 3 different times, the tractor creeps forwards and backwards and is a safety hazard, has had a complete hydro replaced, and has been in repair for close to 1 year total after I purchased it new in 2012.

Not sure I understand the current status of your problems. Did Kioti replace your transmission linkage rod at the same time they replaced your hydro pump?
Not sure about your tractor but there is a treadle type rocker pedal on the CK-HST models. so I never depend on the tractor centering it to neutral. I'd rather have total control with my foot than depend on stop/go pedal action.

 

[Bill Guenthner]

Often times we will shop across several states looking for the dealer with rock bottom prices and there's nothing wrong with that. But, that's probably not going to be a dealer who can afford to provide top notch service when we have a problem and the dealers that we drove past on our search for low prices aren't especially interested in doing warranty repair work for us because they are focused on their regular customer. You can haggle a seller to the point that they make very little money on the deal. Will they looking forward to having you as a repeat customer? Not likely. In the long run it's more economical to pay a little more to buy a leading brand from a good local dealership with a good reputation and then they want to keep you happy when problems arise.

 

[Scooby074]

Why did the drone thread get locked? I know everyone was complaining like a bunch of butt hurt 15 year old girls, but I didn't see anything too bad.

Yeah.. Whats up with that? Was a great thread. Cant even find it now? Must have been locked then deleted. Shame.

 

[Threepoint]

[snip]In the long run it's more economical to pay a little more to buy a leading brand from a good local dealership with a good reputation and then they want to keep you happy when problems arise.

Guess I missed the threads that were removed, but is there any indication that the OP didn't originally do that?

 

[Coyote machine]

My understanding is he added to a thread, DK-40 squeal in reverse, that has been in place for YEARS. I could be wrong, but that's how I understand the removal. The thread really needs to be put back up with whatever pruning is/was necessary.

 

[Threepoint]

My understanding is he added to a thread, DK-40 squeal in reverse, that has been in place for YEARS. I could be wrong, but that's how I understand the removal. The thread really needs to be put back up with whatever pruning is/was necessary.

If that's what happened, I agree with this. Now I'm really curious to read the original thread!

 

[MossRoad]

You might double check your email. A notification was sent to your email address on file.
Generally, dealer problem discussions are discouraged because they almost never include the dealer's side of the story and could open the poster up to accusations of slander/libel.

Aaron Z

TurtleRiverWhitetails....

Take that advice...

There are two sides to every story. Yours and theirs. You see your's through your eyes. They see their's through their eyes. And when you go to court, the jury or judge will see it through their eyes and everything you post on the internet may come back to work against you, despite it being the truth in your eyes. Its in your best interest to not post specific dispute details about brands, dealers, dates, times, etc... for all the world to see. There's been a few folks on here who wish they hadn't done that. That's why most of those posts are removed, and a notification is sent via the email address that is in your profile, as Aaron has explained.

Good luck with resolving your tractor issues. :thumbsup:

 

[MossRoad]

I don't know what caused the thread about DK40 Squeal in reverse to be removed, but I would strongly request that it instead be pruned and then reposted. It has a lot of valuable information for those who experience the squeal issue. It is a real problem and there is a real solution outlined in the thread with part numbers etc.
Removing the thread leaves a gap in Kioti issue resolution, which defeats the purpose of these forums.
Thank you.

I'll do my best to prune it out and return it to this forum. Give me a few minutes.

 

[MossRoad]

And its back.

 

[TurtleRiverWhitetails]

Thanks to all. Advice is taken.
I purchased my tractor from the closest dealer at the time of purchase. To my knowledge the dealer where the tractor is at now did not sell Kioti's when I bought my tractor. People are assuming a lot of things here and the story is complicated but I really am not the bad guy in this. I have spent over $85000.00 on Kioti's products and expect much better service than what I have gotten. I can assure you if the nay sayers were in my position they would be talking a different story.

 

[TurtleRiverWhitetails]

The reason my post was removed is I mentioned the town not the name of the dealership. The mods removed it because I mentioned the name of the town and people could figure out who the dealer was. I apologize for the mistake is was not done intentionally.

 

[Coyote machine]

Thanks to all. Advice is taken.
I purchased my tractor from the closest dealer at the time of purchase. To my knowledge the dealer where the tractor is at now did not sell Kioti's when I bought my tractor. People are assuming a lot of things here and the story is complicated but I really am not the bad guy in this. I have spent over $85000.00 on Kioti's products and expect much better service than what I have gotten. I can assure you if the nay sayers were in my position they would be talking a different story.

Taking Moss Road's and Alcazan's advice would mean you would not continue to put your side of the situation on the forum to try to convince us that you're the good guy. I'm here, in this thread because it's where I was redirected after the original thread, which was removed, could not be found. I and others worked hard to bring a solution/resolution to the squeal in reverse in some DK series tractors, (mine among them), and did so with direct contact with Kioti Corporate. They do listen, if approached in a way that is fair and polite, and seeking resolution instead of blame. I know this for a fact, since I've been directly involved in several situations that were as bad or worse than yours.
I get that you're pissed off and feel like you spent a lot of $ and no one seems to be getting you back on track with your equipment. That sux for sure, BUT if you want change and resolution you have to find a way to get through to those who can actually do something for you. Your tractor(s) won't fix themselves, so you need to decide which approach will work best. My experience with Kioti, 2 of their tractors, and their dealer network has been that discussing things with them is the single most effective way to get things done.

The reason my post was removed is I mentioned the town not the name of the dealership. The mods removed it because I mentioned the name of the town and people could figure out who the dealer was. I apologize for the mistake is was not done intentionally.

For future reference, discussing why posts of yours were removed, from your opinion of why it happened, is frowned upon by the admin. I mention this so you know that the admin does what the admin does because that's who they are and its their job. Ultimately they're trying their best to keep us on track so we're not hurting ourselves by posting potentially damaging statements, to ourselves and others who may not be aware they are being discussed without opportunity for rebuttal.
If you want help resolving your tractor issues, start a new thread and ask for help on how to do so.

 

[4570Man]

The reason my post was removed is I mentioned the town not the name of the dealership. The mods removed it because I mentioned the name of the town and people could figure out who the dealer was. I apologize for the mistake is was not done intentionally.

I didn't know you weren't allowed to say the name of a dealer or any other business. Did a mod tell you this is why it was removed?

 

[ultrarunner]

I think it really is a judgement call...

If someone gets too specific there can be ramifications... it can also cause problems for the site and person(s) posting.

If one poster singles out a specific dealer by name or location... it is too easy to forget we are only hearing one side of the story and each story has at least 3 sides...

As an arbitrator I know the above is true from first hand experience...

TBN is a great resource that is provided at no cost and we need to keep this in mind...

 

[aczlan]

I think it really is a judgement call...

If someone gets too specific there can be ramifications... it can also cause problems for the site and person(s) posting.

If one poster singles out a specific dealer by name or location... it is too easy to forget we are only hearing one side of the story and each story has at least 3 sides...

As an arbitrator I know the above is true from first hand experience...
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Exactly. There have been cases where a dealer or mfg has requested that a thread be removed, generally because it falsely paints them in a bad light or because there was more to the story.

Aaron Z

 

[TurtleRiverWhitetails]

To the OP, I responded to your first thread. I had suggested contacting a different dealer, MIE. You said it was twice as far. I think that a phone call would be easier than taking a dealer (in a different state to boot) to court on a iffy issue. My so far successful goal has been to stay out of a court room, it is not worth my time, effort, and expense, unless there is absolutely no other alternative on a very expensive object. However, dealing with a foreign company with a NC HQ, a dealer in WI, and the owner in the UP of MI, when the selling dealer is in the LP of MI is not my idea of fun. I know you're mad, and rightly so, I'd be mad too, but slow down and consider your other options.[/QUOTE]

I do not know what other options I have. My tractor has been out of service for 10 of the last 12 months. Today is October 29,2015 and still no tractor and no idea of when it might get back here. It has been gone since May this time except for 4 days when it was returned not fixed and they came back and got it in August. At least 2 complete hydro's have been installed and it still is not working correctly. If anyone has some ideas I am all ears. I have contacted Kioti Corp. and the dealership many times with zero results so far. Not only have I not had my tractor but I have lost almost 1/4 of my warranty as well. Winter is just around the corner for here and I need to keep my road/yard open or I have to hire someone to do it. The have put on a bunch of hrs. as well "testing" it which are hrs. I can not utilize.

Again if someone knows of some options I sure would like to hear them.

 

[ultrarunner]

In general you cannot "Lose" warranty time for the out of service period due to a covered defect... at least this is how it works in California.

The key is to have documentation with the out of service days counting 1 for 1 in extending the warranty period.

If you believe the manufacturer has breached the written warranty and is unresponsive it is time to escalate... you can either start a paper campaign by getting everyone involved, go the legal route or do both...

I always asked my plaintiffs to state their expectation as to what they consider a fair resolution... sometimes, all they want is for the item to be repaired to operating condition... other times it is to unwind the deal... other times they request a replacement...

Once in a while the customer is very agreeable and only requests a replacement or loaner be provided at no charge...

 

[Coyote machine]

To the OP, I responded to your first thread. I had suggested contacting a different dealer, MIE. You said it was twice as far. I think that a phone call would be easier than taking a dealer (in a different state to boot) to court on a iffy issue. My so far successful goal has been to stay out of a court room, it is not worth my time, effort, and expense, unless there is absolutely no other alternative on a very expensive object. However, dealing with a foreign company with a NC HQ, a dealer in WI, and the owner in the UP of MI, when the selling dealer is in the LP of MI is not my idea of fun. I know you're mad, and rightly so, I'd be mad too, but slow down and consider your other options.

I do not know what other options I have. My tractor has been out of service for 10 of the last 12 months. Today is October 29,2015 and still no tractor and no idea of when it might get back here. It has been gone since May this time except for 4 days when it was returned not fixed and they came back and got it in August. At least 2 complete hydro's have been installed and it still is not working correctly. If anyone has some ideas I am all ears. I have contacted Kioti Corp. and the dealership many times with zero results so far. Not only have I not had my tractor but I have lost almost 1/4 of my warranty as well. Winter is just around the corner for here and I need to keep my road/yard open or I have to hire someone to do it. The have put on a bunch of hrs. as well "testing" it which are hrs. I can not utilize.

Again if someone knows of some options I sure would like to hear them.[/QUOTE]

Who were you quoting at the beginning of this post? It's not clear since you only have the text and no poster info?
You say you've contacted Kioti and your dealer many times with zero results. You also say they've replaced at least two hydros. It would seem someone is doing something if at least 2 hydros have been replaced!?
It is difficult to know which tractor you're referring to, since the info on your issues has been removed from viewing for many of us. Which tractor, how many hours on it; who's working on it? How have you contacted Kioti Corp.; by email, phone, letter, smoke signals, what? Have you spoken to or contacted the zone representative for your area in which you reside?
If you haven't been in correspondence in writing, with a zone rep at this point you will need to do so to escalate the situation until someone who makes decisions about unsolved issues is in charge of your case. That is how it's done. Any other way is going to be what you are experiencing now- total futility.