Three point electrical control problems on Branson 6530C

[dclt736]

I have a Branson 6530C which I purchased used a few months ago and I am trying to trouble shoot an electrical issue with the three point hitch system.
The mechanical lever for height is working fine, however I have no function with the toggle switch up/down. Also the dash light for the three point hitch is showing up all the time regardless of the setting on the link arms. I have tried some debugging, and the up down switch seems to have the open close electrical path I would expect. I know that the system uses an electric motor under the cab at the rear to do this work, but before I start to remove it and see if that is a problem, I was wondering if anyone has run into problems on their own units and might have some suggestions. I want to plough some land this summer and having to control the deep without the electric control switch could be a problem. Fuse and relays have all been tested and changed around, with no operational change. Also the auto lift switch lights up when pressed on but no arm lift on turning corners. Thanks.

 

[Texasmark]

Will reply tomorrow.

 

[Texasmark]

Currently editing what I sent earlier this morning: It's 2 pm Saturday afternoon, June 30. I am reading and updating this as I learn about the system. It's really hard to instruct you from the manual, interpreting the translation, and relay my experiences.
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I just changed my mind due to the complexity of what I started out to do this morning.
I just erased the wires, names, and connector pinouts, resistance readings and locations of the components in just part of this system. What needs to be included is the interaction of the operator in using the tractor to get the when and why response and that gets messy. Reason is that this reply of mine would be pages long and without pictures would be extremely complicated even for me to understand what I may have thought I sent to you.

You really need a "Chassis Service Manual" for the 6530. With that in front of you, if you need help, we can dialogue and possibly make some sense of this.

We are going from two switches on the control panel, through switches associated with the actual position of the 3 pt arms external to the cab, including the internal and external Position Control lever's positions, routing back through the steering column to pick up the shuttle shifter position (Reverse), and on to the instrument panel to the "Auto Backup" module where the light is located you mentioned.

The manual, although translated somewhat and somewhat foreign in terms and all does show pin numbers, location of the pin numbers in the plug/socket interconnects, the color codes of the associated wires and a module by module wiring diagram. Takes some time to digest it but it seems to be all there. What's missing is the when and why of the operator intervention into the operating of these parts.

If you can't find a dealer from which to purpose, might just www to locate one or I can put you onto the Plainview, Tx. Site where I have gotten super service, or several dealers in my area eager to help.

Good luck,
Mark

 

[Texasmark]

Currently editing what I sent earlier this morning: It's 2 pm Saturday afternoon, June 30. I am reading and updating this as I learn about the system. It's really hard to instruct you from the manual, interpreting the translation, and relay my experiences.
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I just changed my mind due to the complexity of what I started out to do this morning.
I just erased the wires, names, and connector pinouts, resistance readings and locations of the components in just part of this system. What needs to be included is the interaction of the operator in using the tractor to get the when and why response and that gets messy. Reason is that this reply of mine would be pages long and without pictures would be extremely complicated even for me to understand what I may have thought I sent to you.

You really need a "Chassis Service Manual" for the 6530. With that in front of you, if you need help, we can dialogue and possibly make some sense of this.

We are going from two switches on the control panel, through switches associated with the actual position of the 3 pt arms external to the cab, including the internal and external Position Control lever's positions, routing back through the steering column to pick up the shuttle shifter position (Reverse), and on to the instrument panel to the "Auto Backup" module where the light is located you mentioned.

The manual, although translated somewhat and somewhat foreign in terms and all does show pin numbers, location of the pin numbers in the plug/socket interconnects, the color codes of the associated wires and a module by module wiring diagram. Takes some time to digest it but it seems to be all there. What's missing is the when and why of the operator intervention into the operating of these parts.

If you can't find a dealer from which to purpose, might just www to locate one or I can put you onto the Plainview, Tx. Site where I have gotten super service, or several dealers in my area eager to help.

Good luck,
Mark

Still thinking about this. The fuse is # 09 and is labeled BACK-UP. Lower right corner of the fuse panel cover diagram. Pull the fuse and everything associated with the Back Up circuit will be disabled including the light and toggle switch.

The real workhorse in the automatic circuit is the "Back Up" Relay in the relay panel just behind the fuse panel. All the parts to this puzzle seem to be tied together in this relay and being a relay, with all the problems you indicate, well could be your smoking gun. Second would be the parts associated with sensing the position of the lift arms outside due to possible weather damage.

Your manual positioning concern was setting the depth to a preset value when you drop the position control. There are two interacting position controls, the one on the control panel inside the cab and the one out back adjacent to the 3pt (orange knob). That sets your depth regardless of anything else.

Set your manual position control all the way down on the control panel. Go out back and set your implement depth with that one. Your manual control will still raise and drop your implement but it will only drop as low as the outside one will allow it.

A point to consider when you turn off the tractor for the day. You lower the position control, but the implement (may be...depending on where you set it) is still off the ground....you don't want your implement suspended for any length of time...hard on the packing cylinder controlling the 3 pt.

Just go around back and lower that position control lever and lower the implement.....course you have to reset it the next day.

When I was looking for a tractor, that one thing, the outside 3 pt controller (that nobody else had when I was shopping popular colors 6 months prior and just gave up), was what started my purchasing process on the Branson. That I said is a "gotta have" and started being briefed on what else comes with it. Course the lift arm extensions and the tube pin stabilizers and....and.....and

 

[Texasmark]

Helloooooo. You still there?

 

[dclt736]

Helloooooo. You still there?

Yes, sorry about the late reply Mark, I am in the middle of haying up here and every minute of the day is consumed, and what with the heat wave we have having, we have been loading and unloading much later in the evening to save ourselves.

As for all your advice, I will look into the relay, one thing I will look for is to see if the dash light goes out.
The owners manual states that it will come on at start up, but go out after 3 seconds, and that doesn't happen now, it is on all the time.
So when the relay is pulled and the light stays on, then that may be tied to some computer chip that turns the light on as a blub test mode but does turn it off.

I do have a feeling that it might be something in the electric motor.

Another thing I noticed is that they talk about (owner manual) a lock for the control levers, and there is a third cut out in the plastic panel for the draft and raise slots, but nothing in it. Is it possible that there is something missing there?
I will take a photo of my plastic to upload.

Again as I am in hay mode and working full time to make a living, I may not be able to dive very deep into the investigation for a week or two, but want to thank you for support to date.

Also I do have the service manual, which I purchased from Branson just after a got the tractor and started to work on it.
The electrical diagrams are there, I will scan and attach but they do leave some information missing, and I am still trying to workout how the some information is show on the electrical drawings.

And have a great Independence Day tomorrow.

Douglas

 

[Branson Bob]

Yes, sorry about the late reply Mark, I am in the middle of haying up here and every minute of the day is consumed, and what with the heat wave we have having, we have been loading and unloading much later in the evening to save ourselves.

And have a great Independence Day tomorrow.

Douglas

I'm a former resident of Quebec and later on, Western New York.

A heat wave in Ontario? What are the daytime highs?

I hope Canadian Independence Day was a good one for you.

 

[dclt736]

Day time highs 34-38 celsius range, tomorrow forecast for Ottawa is 35c (96F), humidex of 43c or 109F, just great in the sun throwing those bales onto the wagons.
Been this way since early last week.
Showing cooler weather for a few days come the weekend.
Above average for sure this time of year.
Douglas

 

[Branson Bob]

Day time highs 34-38 celsius range, tomorrow forecast for Ottawa is 35c (96F), humidex of 43c or 109F, just great in the sun throwing those bales onto the wagons.
Been this way since early last week.
Showing cooler weather for a few days come the weekend.
Above average for sure this time of year.
Douglas

Wow those are historical temperatures I would think.

Keep your fluids up and in the shade as much as possible.

Best regards.

 

[dclt736]

Will do Bob, weather is set to return to more normal ranges this weekend.
Douglas