Tilt on a BX

[JSUnlimited]

With the bigger cylinder (2") I was going to order 1/4" hoses which from reading here should help with the flow.

With the 2" cylinders and 1/4" lines going to them, fine tuning the cylinder adjustment is done with ease.

I forget that the BX does not have much height and the concerns you have over the tilting ability and height of the implement once raised. Maybe two tilt cylinders would be good for your BX! I guess it's how much you want to spend. I found the most unexpected cost was having the hoses made up custom and all of the fittings!

 

[Henro]

sailnseagulls,

If the following is redundant, sorry...

Just some food for thought...

If I were to put T&T on my bx, my goal would be to have more lift on the 3PH when I was done, and to have at least as much tilt as I would have if I used only one cylinder along with the adjustable link set at its mid point.

My GUESS is that I could accomplish this with cylinders that had 2" of stroke, provided that I could get the clevis ends welded on them without damage to the internal seals.

There have been some posts in the past where members have added tilt to their bx's. I used to have links to those but lost them when the upgrade here came into play. A creative search may turn them up if you have not already found them.

The lift of the bx 3ph is too limited to let one do anything to reduce it, at least in my opinion and experience. Guess that depends on what one wants to do though, although I find it hard to dream up any reason I would NOT want more lift on MY bx 3PH.

I don't think on the BX one will have to worry about the speed the hydraulic cylinders move, if the cylinders are in the 2" diameter range. I see no difference on my B2910 when I operate cylinders with 1/4 inch or 3/8 inch hoses. The BX flow is less than the B2910.

You may want to consided float on one of the control valve sections that will control the tilt cylinders. I love having float on mine, but my driveway has compound curves that the rear blade has to follow when I am moving snow or dressing the surface in warm weather.

I would suggest a test to see how much angle 2" of tilt on each side would give you, to find out if it would meet your expectations. You could do this by lifting the 3PH with the adjustable lift rod centered, then cranking it to one end and checking the angle of your rear blade. With two tilt cylinders you would get this same angle to each side when you worked one or the other. With one tilt cylinder you would need double the stroke to get the same angle in both directions, and would lose lift to make it happen.

This was what I saw when I put T&T on my larger tractor, and I can not see how it could not be but amplified with the smaller BX.

Hope this adds something to the discussion...

 

[sailnseagulls]

Rob..

Thanks for the link to your project. Your'e right that your tractor is quite a bit bigger than mine but I enjoyed seeing your workmanship to bring it all together. I looked at the arms on the BX and saw there is a spline they are attached to although it looks pretty complicated to get to. I also have the added problem that the arms have to be adjusted upright for the backhoe to attach. I appreciate the thoughts and as you point out, there is more than one way to skin a cat!
Larry

 

[sailnseagulls]

Mega Me,

Yes..it is the limited size that seems to complicate this project. There is limited lift on the BX, but to this point I have not had that be a problem. The challenge is to find what will work at all, then modify it to work within reason.
The cost is quite a bit more than I would have liked, but is expected once you start buying additional cylinders, hoses, and valves. Hopefully it will be worth it !
Larry

 

[sailnseagulls]

Henro...

Nope, I don't think your thoughts are rendundant. Usually after I hear things a few different ways it sinks in ! I've always found your posts to be informative.
I understand what you are saying by not wanting to lose lift on the BX. I have not had a problem with the lift with the stock links..but then all my implements are sized for the tractor. I measured the travel of the adjustable link and it has about 2.5" of tilt in either direction from centered. This means that you are pretty much on if I could find smaller cylinders with 2" of stroke.
I have not searched everywhere , but this does not seem to be a common size available. Also, I too worry about the heat / seal damage while trying to weld.
I believe that with the 2X4 cylinders I still would have about 3/4" to 1" more lift at the attachment point of the arm once the clevis ends are welded on. This is not a tremendous amount, but still a plus. And I would have 4" of tilt to either side.
In any case, I bit the bullet and ordered the cylinders and I will keep you posted as things progress. Also, of the two remotes I have now, one is a float. I ordered another float valve for the third remote.

Larry

 

[sailnseagulls]

UPDATE :

I've been in the process of getting together all the parts for this project. I ordered the cylinders from Baum Hydraulics, however the side/tilt cylinders came in with straight fittings for the hoses when I ordered the 90 degree fittings. No problem...I sent the cylinders back to Baum and they sent me two with the 90's which I got today.
I ordered the fittings to go from JIC to pipe thread from Discount Hydraulic Hose and planned on using stock 1/4 hoses from Tractor Supply off the shelf. Then I found I could order custom made hoses from them too for about the same price. Too late...the fittings came in the very next day ! So I ordered the hoses from them too with male pipe thread each end. I just end up with an additional fitting I could have avoided.
So far so good...until I received the cylinders from Baum today. I got what I asked for but...I can't fit the hose and fittings between the elbow JIC fittings welded on the cylinder ! THe cylinder is so short that the fittings are only 4 inches from each other in a direct line. I believe that it is welded in the cylinder and can't be tweeked enough to thread the bottom hose. Sigh.
I 'm thinking I will have to re-order the cylinders I just returned and use 90's. I wanted to have a clean installation but it seems the more I plan the more I find things I didn't think about. I guess it's the challenge...but the freight is going to kill me !

Larry