PILOON
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While I forget the brand name, I have used it.
It is made up from shredded rags and is the most effective sound absorbing material sold.
Timber Frame Hybrid Home - Owner Builder
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While I forget the brand name, I have used it.
It is made up from shredded rags and is the most effective sound absorbing material sold.
Correct. Its ultra touch denim insulation
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In NJ, I don't think there are any lands not in some town's limits and therefore, no one is exempt. As fellow NJ'er emanaresi said, we can only dream of your situation. And your home too.
NJ has a state wide Building Code, no area is free from the code. If they do not have a local official the state has inspectors that will do the inspections. I am NJ licensed Fire sub code official for the past 20 years.
tkappeler
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May be state wide, but all inspectors are not created equal. My construction official was reasonable, professional but no corners cut. My step son had his rough electrical approved with a (poorly) hidden junction box in northern NJ. My inspector would have had a field day.
Ooops. sorry Jeremy. No highjack intended. Be glad you don't have the hoops and you are insuring it is done right yourself.
Keep the pictures coming!
Thursday was day two on sheetrock and didn't go as well as day one. I don't think I've been so P*** off in a very long time and am embarrassed to say that some things came out of my mouth in front of my 5 year old son that I have never said before and hope I never do again. When I arrived to inspect the days work the crew was done with most of the easy work and had moved on to the rock on the fireplace wall and around the timbers. Even though our timbers have a sheetrock edge, most of the framing is offset back enough to run rock behind the timbers. We did this intentionally so that if the frame moves, gaps are not exposed.
When looking at the rock next to the timbers I could see spray foam from 15 feet away. The crew stopped the rock at the sheetrock edge instead of sliding it behind. I approached the crew and politely pointed out the error and asked if they would slide it back to hide the foam on the remaining timbers. The youngest kid on the crew stepped forward, unbuckled his belt and acted like he was going to hand it to me. He then proceeded to tell me I could do it myself if I thought I could do a better job. Needless to say that didn't go over very well. After a very heated exchange I pulled the foreman for the crew in another room and had a polite but frank discussion about the job. He apologized for his employee but did tell me that it wasn't possible to slide a full sheet between two timbers far enough to hide the foam and that the foam was in the way as well. I had him move to the remaining areas without timbers and asked him to wait until the next day so that I had time to look at the situation.
After they left I removed the sheetrock they had placed between the timbers and decided to give it a try myself. It wasn't easy and required some additional trimming of foam and precise cutting in a few spots but I was able to get the rock slide back far enough that you can't see any edges even from the side or underneath. I didn't have time to hang the rock myself and also didn't want to go searching for another crew either so here's what I did.
After finishing the section of rock myself that was "not possible" to slide back far enough to hide the edges, I took their pieces that I had pulled down and stood them upright next to their tools so they couldn't help but notice that I fixed their work when they came in the next day. I also tipped the owner $300 the next morning and told him that I knew this job was not easy but I would appreciate it if he treated the job like it was his own home. I think the extra cash and the fact that they didn't wan't to admit that the homeowner could do a better job after one of their own spouted off was enough to motivate them. They were back on the timbers yesterday and today and the work looks great.
Here's a couple of pics. First is the sheetrock done by my contractor. Second pick is the rock after I re-hung it.
When looking at the rock next to the timbers I could see spray foam from 15 feet away. The crew stopped the rock at the sheetrock edge instead of sliding it behind. I approached the crew and politely pointed out the error and asked if they would slide it back to hide the foam on the remaining timbers. The youngest kid on the crew stepped forward, unbuckled his belt and acted like he was going to hand it to me. He then proceeded to tell me I could do it myself if I thought I could do a better job. Needless to say that didn't go over very well. After a very heated exchange I pulled the foreman for the crew in another room and had a polite but frank discussion about the job. He apologized for his employee but did tell me that it wasn't possible to slide a full sheet between two timbers far enough to hide the foam and that the foam was in the way as well. I had him move to the remaining areas without timbers and asked him to wait until the next day so that I had time to look at the situation.
After they left I removed the sheetrock they had placed between the timbers and decided to give it a try myself. It wasn't easy and required some additional trimming of foam and precise cutting in a few spots but I was able to get the rock slide back far enough that you can't see any edges even from the side or underneath. I didn't have time to hang the rock myself and also didn't want to go searching for another crew either so here's what I did.
After finishing the section of rock myself that was "not possible" to slide back far enough to hide the edges, I took their pieces that I had pulled down and stood them upright next to their tools so they couldn't help but notice that I fixed their work when they came in the next day. I also tipped the owner $300 the next morning and told him that I knew this job was not easy but I would appreciate it if he treated the job like it was his own home. I think the extra cash and the fact that they didn't wan't to admit that the homeowner could do a better job after one of their own spouted off was enough to motivate them. They were back on the timbers yesterday and today and the work looks great.
Here's a couple of pics. First is the sheetrock done by my contractor. Second pick is the rock after I re-hung it.
tkappeler
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Looks great now, Jeremy. Also looks like you handled the situation quite well.
LarryD
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I'm pretty sure that mouthy young man wouldn't be back on my job site.
BitChin1
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Thursday was day two on sheetrock and didn't go as well as day one. I don't think I've been so P*** off in a very long time and am embarrassed to say that some things came out of my mouth in front of my 5 year old son that I have never said before and hope I never do again. When I arrived to inspect the days work the crew was done with most of the easy work and had moved on to the rock on the fireplace wall and around the timbers. Even though our timbers have a sheetrock edge, most of the framing is offset back enough to run rock behind the timbers. We did this intentionally so that if the frame moves, gaps are not exposed.
When looking at the rock next to the timbers I could see spray foam from 15 feet away. The crew stopped the rock at the sheetrock edge instead of sliding it behind. I approached the crew and politely pointed out the error and asked if they would slide it back to hide the foam on the remaining timbers. The youngest kid on the crew stepped forward, unbuckled his belt and acted like he was going to hand it to me. He then proceeded to tell me I could do it myself if I thought I could do a better job. Needless to say that didn't go over very well. After a very heated exchange I pulled the foreman for the crew in another room and had a polite but frank discussion about the job. He apologized for his employee but did tell me that it wasn't possible to slide a full sheet between two timbers far enough to hide the foam and that the foam was in the way as well. I had him move to the remaining areas without timbers and asked him to wait until the next day so that I had time to look at the situation.
After they left I removed the sheetrock they had placed between the timbers and decided to give it a try myself. It wasn't easy and required some additional trimming of foam and precise cutting in a few spots but I was able to get the rock slide back far enough that you can't see any edges even from the side or underneath. I didn't have time to hang the rock myself and also didn't want to go searching for another crew either so here's what I did.
After finishing the section of rock myself that was "not possible" to slide back far enough to hide the edges, I took their pieces that I had pulled down and stood them upright next to their tools so they couldn't help but notice that I fixed their work when they came in the next day. I also tipped the owner $300 the next morning and told him that I knew this job was not easy but I would appreciate it if he treated the job like it was his own home. I think the extra cash and the fact that they didn't wan't to admit that the homeowner could do a better job after one of their own spouted off was enough to motivate them. They were back on the timbers yesterday and today and the work looks great.
Fun isn't it
This was the specific task I found most frustrating - used two different crews and in the end I mudded several areas myself as they just couldn't get it right - I have some small section where the rock could not slide behind timbers on both sides (full sheets between timbers)
The sheetrock crews in my area tend to have a few experienced folks and several very new people - many of whom speak very little English - every day they hang the rock the same way - until they arrive at a TF - areas in corners are made to look good by the mud/tape crew (more experienced) but in your case there is actually very little taping and no corners in the TF section.
I found the better English speaking crew was easier to get aligned with on what I wanted done, but they were less interested in doing that way (different then their norm)
as much as you want the nice smooth transition between timber and painted wall you should step back and think about how you are going to trim the areas.
Your Timber WILL SHRINK over the next year and the gaps will grow (or the painted area will receed and expose unpainted sheetrock)
In my case I have several areas where I will run a small trim piece (have not yet decided but probably 1/4" x 3'4") along the timbers to cover these gaps.
For baseboard if I were to do it over I would wait to install this for some time as I am getting small gaps were they butt up to the timbers (maybe 3/16" largest) - I will either run some color matched caulking or replace these boards when it starts to bug me too much
In several of your pics there seems to be a gap behind the timbers > 1/2" routed area for the sheetrock - did you stand the stud walls back? If so did you already plan to cover this with trim or what was the finish detail here?
Anyway something to think about now - also remember that you will know about and see ALL of the areas that are not perfect but most everyone else will not be able to see the imperfections and not understand why they are not perfect even when you explain it to them
You are making great progress :drink:
J F
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Amen. We all make mistakes, but for the person making the mistake, then getting an attitude towards the homeowner/end boss...just no. There would be a HUGE apology from said person to the homeowner or that person wouldn't be back on the job.
Good work Jeremy, all part of the fun of building. :thumbsup: