Tipping etiquette...what would you do?

   / Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #21  
Thats one thing I hate. The ole excuse of how many tables he/she has and how busy he/she has been blah blah blah.

Not saying its the servers fault, but it certainly aint mine. When the family and I want to go dine out, its to get out of the house and relax, not listen to someone complain about how horrible their job is.

Now I can understand if they had an unexpected party of 50 people show up un-announced. But save the bickering and excuses. Do the best you can with a smile on your face will go along ways toward getting a better tip than wasting time complaining about how busy you are.
 
   / Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #22  
Some establishments make the tips be divided among the staff, server, bus boy, cook. As a result you may be tipping the cook.
Why we refuse to eat out anymore unless it is absolutely required. Food can be prepared at home better, healthier and less expensive. Why pay for bad, unhealthy food and lousy service. As my wife says you can cook that better at home than they did.

When we leave a tip, it's always in cash, and I make sure that the waiter/waitress gets it personally. Funny things, I've heard, are often done with the tip, so I want to make sure that the person serving gets it. How they split it up is up to them.
 
   / Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #23  
Thats one thing I hate. The ole excuse of how many tables he/she has and how busy he/she has been blah blah blah.

Not saying its the servers fault, but it certainly aint mine. When the family and I want to go dine out, its to get out of the house and relax, not listen to someone complain about how horrible their job is.

Now I can understand if they had an unexpected party of 50 people show up un-announced. But save the bickering and excuses. Do the best you can with a smile on your face will go along ways toward getting a better tip than wasting time complaining about how busy you are.

having worked hand in hand with food service industries for the last 17 years, I can tell you that many problems are management/owner level problems.

When a non newbie server is having issues due to too many tables, they are being oversat. While it may be directly an issue of the host not doing their job correctly, or and issue of a rush of customers, ultimately, (owners ) management / training should be at fault on errors of how to handle this.

For instance, some companies in a rush to not have long waits or lines, instead, seat tables as fast as they can wipe them. If they have 3 servers on the floor and seat 40 people... it sure ain't the servers fault! At better tended restaurants, you will sometimes see tables open, but a full waiting line or room.. these places are keeping their waitstaff with a managable number of tables, so the tables already sat aren't neglected.

Order correct-ness.

Some places are structured that there are food expaditers delivering food instead of the server. IE, server takes your order, rings it in to the kitchen including any special info. that ticket prints or displays ont he line and is prepped. many times the runners ticket ONLY shows what table, and if they are LUCKY, what position the food hits ( ie.. seats are numbered and then clocked, so food being dropepd off gets handed to the correct person instead of having to ask who gets what. ).. in those cases, the server doesn't get a chance to see the food inbetween order in and delivery, however depending ont he equipment they have, may get a ding or page or text that their food is up or has been ran, so that they can then go check the table for correctness.

In the years I worked at establishments that had food prep hooked to entertainment venues, the VAST majority of incorrect orders going out were kitchen problems. I'd call it 1:8 ratio EASY of server missrings vs kitchen fubars.

Not defending anyone.. just saying.. if you want to get something done and complain... figure out who/what/where the problem is.

As an example.. I was at a cracker bbl at lunch, the host was seating people and wiping tables as people were sat. We came post lunch. our office went in 2 groups of 3, one group getting their a bit later than the others. They were keeping the waiting line at the front low and moving.. .. however.. I counted only 3 servers on the floor. I'm pretty sure we waited 4 minutes from being sat to being recognized by one of the 3 servers as not being seen yet, who took our drink order. another 4 minutes and our server came with drinks and took our order. took another 15 minutes for stuff to start hitting, and everyone at the table ( 3 ) either ordered 'the special' pre-made baked chicken.. serve out of the pan, or scoop-up stuff like the vegi plates. (me), or an egg biscuit with sunny side up eggs. Biscuits and corbread are premade items such as the chicken, and the vegi's. the eggs take? what? a minute to plop and get a little thick/runnyish stiff. ? Our second group of 3 seated about a minute after we got our drinks, and as I hear, waited 20 minutes for the same type of 'pre made' foods.. ie scoop and serve.

That is an example of a resturant overseating it's servers.

Some places cut servers after a rush and then if they get a 2nd rush are under staffed. That's where you need management and owners to know the area and the typical crowds, etc.

I do notice I did not see any managers on the floor.. sometimes managers will help run food or put out fires. I can only speculate that the managers were in the kitchen, and they had a light labor force in the kitchen and servers.. but that is a guess. In either case.. that's an example of NOT your server's fault...

Again.. I'm not defending bad business practice in the food industry... I'm the first to shoot off a detailed email or letter to a company about unaceptable service ( or praise when deserved ), and I tip based on service. Exceptional service gets exceptional tip... A few places I go witht the wife we shoot for a specific server... those servers have our drinks and know our little special wants or needs ( kind a like cheers! ). Their tips START at 20%...
 
   / Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #24  
I would have left a small tip. It's the servers job to get it right, even if the kitchen got it wrong.

Sat night we went to one of my favorite haunts, our food was brought out by someone other than the waitress. When the waitress came by the next time, she noticed my wife's salad was not fixed right,my wife had not noticed yet. The order was to hold the onion, and they held all the other toppings. The waitress went back to the kitchen and brought out all the other toppings right away.
 
   / Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #25  
I simply don't return a restaurant with poor service, poor food,etc. I figure there are too many other options.

Will
 
   / Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #26  
Been to a few different places that have screwed up orders. Depending on how the issue was handled, depended on whether we have been back or not. If the waitress was good and handled the issue, or tried to get it solved, but was beyond there power then they get a good tip, even if we weren't happy with the food.

We have had our meal comped before, but that was because our waitress took our drink order, came back for our food order. Then vanished. Ended up flagging the manager after 45 minutes since we still hadn't received some complimentary bread or our salads. Or physically saw our waitress for that matter. Manager waited on us till the waitress showed up 20 minutes later. Then the waitress couldn't comprehend why my wife and I were upset, or why our meal was being comped :banghead::duh:
 
   / Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #27  
Based on your description, I think a $1 tip was warranted. A 10% tip doesn't send any message other than you're a crappy tipper, same thing for no tip but a $1 tip sends a strong message to teh server that you are a tipper but felt the service was very poor.

The reason I say it was warranted was that it took 15 minutes to get the remake and you never got your mayo. The server should have expedited the remake and should have had that mayo at your table within 30 seconds, so your poor experience ultimately falls on him once the kitchen had the order back.

I'm a generous tipper, typically in the 20% - 30% range because I know how hard the job is and I know that they depend on those tips to live since their pay rate is onl4 $4.25/hr in most cases. I'll give the server the benefit of the doubt as well, if the food quality is poor but the service was good to exceptional, then they still get a good tip. They didn't cook it, I'm not going to punish them for bad food, I'll just not return to that restaurant. But, if I send something back and they don't make sure it comes back to be correctly or my tea runs out or I'm otherwise ignored, I'm going to reduce the tip accordingly and I think that's what applies in this case.
 
   / Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #28  
Was at mission bbq a few weeks ago, they have great food and service. you order and pick up your order at a counter, and they go over your order to make sure it is right. when i got mine it had fries i didnt order, and not on the bill. I let them know i didnt order the fries, the lady reaches in her pocket and gives me a coupon for a free sandwich.
Mission bbq does a lot for military, police, fire etc. On 9/11 first responders get free food.
Look them up. Their food is awesome.
 
   / Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #29  
I tip according to the overall experience. I'll tip for counter service if I feel it is exceptional food. Last weekend I went past a bakery and saw some raspberry bars in the display case. Looked really good. I ordered one but saw the person grab a crummy looking one in the back row, not nearly as nice as the ones by the window. So I gave the server no tip and told her why. They baited me with the yummy looking one and gave me the crummy looking one. No tip for that.

I would not go back to a place after leaving no tip in case they have a good memory. I have heard of spitful (spelled correctly) cooks and servers.
 
   / Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #30  
[snip}

I am going to call the restaurant today and try to speak to a manager so that I can ask them why this is such a problem (for me) at this location.

I appreciate the comments thus far.

Good luck and take care.

That's a good way to deal with this. Hopefully you can reach him or her at off-peak. How they respond should tell you a lot.

I think your $4 tip was o.k. under the circumstances. I can understand why you and your wife keep going back, if she really likes the place and the food is otherwise good. What I can't understand is why you don't like mayonaise! :confused3:
 

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