Titan has sale on SSQA adapter

[ponytug]

M5040: Appreciate u posting this big time and the photo on page 1 of this thread. I am starting the adapter plate journey for the 2nd time.
2many rocks: I did what you are talking about by attaching a PT plate directly to a fork attachment a few years ago. I thought I was done with the attachments I needed and now I am realizing that was a rookie mistake on my part. I am now wanting other attachments and can't use the adapter plate that I bought previously for any other new attachments I want since it is welded on the fork attachment.
I am now buying the 3 pt to SSQA adapter mentioned above and another PT1460 plate to make the PT to SSQA adapter plate I should have made the first time around. Seems the SSQA stuff is dropping in price and there are very good deals to be had on used SSQA attachments.

FWIW: I would comment that skid steers in general have much higher lift capacity the PowerTracs. I think that when making the adapter, one can easily lose a great deal of effective lifting capacity with an SSQA adapter that is a) heavy and/or b) deep. The latter pushes the load farther out and gets one into PT pucker territory sooner.

All the best,

Peter

 

[2manyrocks]

I'm not an engineer. One thing I wonder about is whether the PT draft control is integrated into not just the weight of their front mounted brush cutter, but also the placement of caster wheels on the front? Many of the skid steer brush cutters are heavier than the PT versions, and have no front caster wheels or any wheels at all placing all of the load onto the PT loader arms. Pushing the load of a skid steer cutter further away from the PT would seem to also affect the overall stability of the entire machine.

edit: And on the PT1445 brush cutter, the mount allows for side to side pivoting of the cutter deck I suppose to allow it to follow the ground contour and/or transfer weight to the 4 wheels on the deck. I'm just not sure how substituting a skid steer cutting deck without these features may affect its slope mowing capacity?

 

[5030]

I would heavily suggest Worksaver brand. Built in USA. Twice the price, but 10 times the quality.

View attachment 882144

That or an ATI, Attachment Technologies. Very stout, made in Pennsylvania and worth every penny. Compared to the Kubota one, night and day.

 

[ponytug]

I'm not an engineer. One thing I wonder about is whether the PT draft control is integrated into not just the weight of their front mounted brush cutter, but also the placement of caster wheels on the front? Many of the skid steer brush cutters are heavier than the PT versions, and have no front caster wheels or any wheels at all placing all of the load onto the PT loader arms. Pushing the load of a skid steer cutter further away from the PT would seem to also affect the overall stability of the entire machine.

edit: And on the PT1445 brush cutter, the mount allows for side to side pivoting of the cutter deck I suppose to allow it to follow the ground contour and/or transfer weight to the 4 wheels on the deck. I'm just not sure how substituting a skid steer cutting deck without these features may affect its slope mowing capacity?

The draft control is not only adjustable, but should be adjusted for each implement that needs it; that's because the draft control is load specific since what it does is to set and control pressure in the loader arms, which will vary depend on load and ground forces.

All the best,

Peter

 

[5030]

Think you have that wrong... Draft control allows the THREE POINT HITCH ARMS TO RELEASE AN IMPLEMENT AND PULL IT OUT OF THE GROUND to overcome the drag SHOULD AN OBSTACLE BE ENCOUNTERED or the soil is too compacted to allow the tractor to continue forward motion.

It has nothing to do with the loader arms at all.

I use it all the time with ground engaging implement's like Swedish Tine cultavator's for instance.

Draft control only impacts the rear 3 point hitch on a farm or utility tractor (if it's equipped with it). Most smaller hobby type tractors only have position control. not draft control.

 

[2manyrocks]

The draft control is not only adjustable, but should be adjusted for each implement that needs it; that's because the draft control is load specific since what it does is to set and control pressure in the loader arms, which will vary depend on load and ground forces.

All the best,

Peter

How do I do that on the PT 1445? I didn't see it in the owner's manual.

First 2024 encounter with live rattlesnake this afternoon while mowing with the PT1445. This is one instance where I'd rather be higher up on the Kubota.

 

[PowerTracManiac]

Here is the adapter plate attached directly to my SSQA fork implement. I have an add a grapple attachment that slips over the forks.


No problem with lifting capacity- hehe

 

[ponytug]

Here is the adapter plate attached directly to my SSQA fork implement. I have an add a grapple attachment that slips over the forks.
View attachment 882272

No problem with lifting capacity- hehe
View attachment 882271

Show off! (envious)

Looks nice! Full pallets of concrete are beyond my 1445...

All the best,

Peter

 

[ponytug]

How do I do that on the PT 1445? I didn't see it in the owner's manual.

First 2024 encounter with live rattlesnake this afternoon while mowing with the PT1445. This is one instance where I'd rather be higher up on the Kubota.

Hmm... there was a section in the manual I thought on adjusting it. On my 1445, if you open the engine canopy, and stand on the side of the engine oil dipstick, facing the side edge of the fuel tank, there is an aluminum manifold block on the side of the fuel tank. It has a 2" diameter solenoid coil and a knob with a lock ring. That knob is the pressure adjust for the draft control.

There are several describe how to adjust it in the archives. You might have fun exploring the archives...
To point a few gems out;

Draft control problem.

A while back, on my 1430, the draft control stopped working. After some time I isolated the problem to the adjustable hydraulic valve in the draft control unit. Terry doubted that was the trouble and Keith said he couldn't remember ever sending out a replacement for one. I ordered a new one...

www.tractorbynet.com

Photo here from Mike O'Connor, @MikeOConnor,
Post in thread 'Draft-control valve replacement fixes all kinds of things'
Draft-control valve replacement fixes all kinds of things

All the best,

Peter

 

[m5040]

Think you have that wrong... Draft control allows the THREE POINT HITCH ARMS TO RELEASE AN IMPLEMENT AND PULL IT OUT OF THE GROUND to overcome the drag SHOULD AN OBSTACLE BE ENCOUNTERED or the soil is too compacted to allow the tractor to continue forward motion.

It has nothing to do with the loader arms at all.

I use it all the time with ground engaging implement's like Swedish Tine cultavator's for instance.

Draft control only impacts the rear 3 point hitch on a farm or utility tractor (if it's equipped with it). Most smaller hobby type tractors only have position control. not draft control.

Power Trac tractors are a more modern design then 3pt hitch tractors as the implements go on the front of the machine where the operator can easily control the implement without turning backward. The larger machines (used to be all the diesel models) have a electric switch on the dash and a variable control under the engine hood that allows adjustable amounts of lift on the loader arms. Typically you transfer, for example 75% of the attachments weight to the tractor when the drive wheel torque is increased (which as you described, raises the implement) and the manufacturer labeled it "Draft". Similar but different. Farm tractors I have used sense the need for draft by the increase in drag/resistance of the implement. The PTs senses an increase in drive wheel pressure-torque and transfers weight to drive wheels to increase traction, not really to control ground engagement. I have only used for mowing. The PT brand of mowers all have castor wheels and the mower rolls all on its own wheels leaving the tractor with no weight for traction and can get problematic when climbing hills. Hence the need for draft control.

 

[2manyrocks]

I see where the valve is located, but how am I supposed to set it? All I got was a Parts Manual and a manual for the engine. PT didn't send me any kind of instructions beyond one page in the Parts Manual that doesn't even mention the draft control, much less how I'm supposed to adjust it. Was I supposed to get a separate operator's manual?

 

[5030]

My comment about draft control was in reference to conventional tractors, not a Powertrac. I have no idea what they are and candidly don't want one anyway.

Easy to set the draft control as well as the sensitivity control on the top link location on a conventional rear mounted 3 point tractor actually. I use it all the time with ground engaging implements and stays turned off or in the non actuated position when using drawbar pulled implements.

 

[ponytug]

I see where the valve is located, but how am I supposed to set it? All I got was a Parts Manual and a manual for the engine. PT didn't send me any kind of instructions beyond one page in the Parts Manual that doesn't even mention the draft control, much less how I'm supposed to adjust it. Was I supposed to get a separate operator's manual?

I apologize. It isn't in my manual, either. I was sure it was. Swiss cheese for brains I guess.

As far as I know, there is only one PT manual, and yes, it isn't as good as it could be. I consider the PT forum and the archives here to be the best manual. The Deutz came with two manuals, both of which are available online in PDF form, and there is an amazingly detailed shop manual, but it is not cheap.

Just FYI: I have learned a lot from information in the older threads. I find it useful to browse them occasionally, as I learn things in the related posts.

As a general rule, try your favorite search engine, or Google, with something like this;
"power-trac" "draft control" "adjust" site:tractorbynet.com

Today, hit #3 is this one;
Post in thread 'Draft Control'
Draft Control

It is the method that I use.

I find that if try to put too much pressure in the draft control system, (or put differently, trying to transfer too much weight to the tractor), the mower has a tendency to hit a bump and float up for a bit. I also notice that if I do the initial adjustment when the hydraulic oil is cold, I sometimes need to tweak it again when the oil has warmed up and thinned out a bit.

With the implement on and the tractor running, I think that adjusting the draft setting is a quick adjustment when you get the hang of it.

I can say that when the draft control is set properly, I find that the draft control is a big help in traction for things like mowing, especially slope mowing over uneven terrain. The extra weight on the tractor helps traction, and the mower casters are less likely to drag or dig in because they are carrying less weight, helping the mower float over the terrain better.

All the best,

Peter

 

[2manyrocks]

Thanks. That gives me somewhere to start.

I don't think PT gave me any operator's manual. I received a red parts manual that has one page of "operating instructions" that says nothing about draft control. Surely there is supposed to be an operator's manual???

Also found a discussion about limiting the backward tilt of the mower deck towards the operator when the deck is lifted which is something else that I really don't like at all. This member installed a rod to limit the backwards tilt towards the operator. Mod to the brush hog

This may be another mod that I will do.

 

[ponytug]

Thanks. That gives me somewhere to start.

I don't think PT gave me any operator's manual. I received a red parts manual that has one page of "operating instructions" that says nothing about draft control. Surely there is supposed to be an operator's manual???

Also found a discussion about limiting the backward tilt of the mower deck towards the operator when the deck is lifted which is something else that I really don't like at all. This member installed a rod to limit the backwards tilt towards the operator. Mod to the brush hog

This may be another mod that I will do.

That's "THE" manual. As I wrote, it leaves something to be desired.

All the best,

Peter

 

[2manyrocks]

I suppose I need to download all the posts from the PT forum to write my own manual.

 

[m5040]

My comment about draft control was in reference to conventional tractors, not a Powertrac. I have no idea what they are and candidly don't want one anyway.

Roger having to remember which forum your on before you confuse people with good advise that has nothing to do with the tractor in the discussion.
I had no idea what they were either, then I bought their cheapest/smallest model and found out how much better the design was over conventional tractors that date back to when they replaced horses and were just good at pulling stuff. I now have 4 Power Tracs that get used 10 times more then my standard tractors. But you can't beat a M5030 Kubota with front and rear differential locks for hauling a water wagon and a gigantic grapple on the loader, but if I didn't have it first, I never would have bought it after I used the Power Tracs.

 

[5030]

Your M5030 is pretty diminutive compared to my M9's. I know as I owned one a while ago, hence, my screen name.

I still remember not so fondly, trying to round bale with the 5030 and having to advance the throttle to the stop just to get a fully formed bale. That is when I knew I needed a lot more grunt and bought my first M9000. That was back in 2001 btw.

I did like my 5030 barring the poor ac system that I had to modify just to keep the cabin somewhat cool but it was a nice 'little' tractor, just not enough balls to run a round bailer, let alone a disc mower. Back then when I bought my first M9, the M9's were the second largest tractors Kubota sold and I've always had good luck with them, so why change. The only unit bigger was the M105 but I didn't care for the sloped hood design.

I've had excellent results with both M9's I own and have no reason to upgrade at all, especially now with all the T4 final junk they put on the engines. Mine are completely devoid of any of that stuff and that is the way I like it. The less complex a unit is, the higher the reliability factor is, especially when you keep them for years, like I do. Other than routine maintenance and valve adjustments, neither have ever been touched and I don't expect them to be either. My Kubota mechanic has often told me the VT series engines I have in my M9's are the most reliable and longest lasting engines Kubota ever made and I believe him plus they are perfect for my operation and both have been paid for, for many years plus they hold their value excellently if I ever decide to sell either of them.

I'm not at all adverse to new equipment, in fact I'm always upgrading my hay tools but tractor wise, no upgrades needed and I'm good with that.

 

[5030]

The thread title is:

Titan has sale on SSQA adapter​

and there is no mention of a PT Cruiser or whatever it is, in the thread title, least not that I see but then maybe it's hidden somewhere...

 

[SpringHollow]

Here is the draft control section for an 1850: