Price Check TN75 price check & some questions

[jimg]

My local dealer gave a price of $23200 for a new 2wd 12x12 synch-shuttle w/ an extra remote, fiberglass canopy and filled tires. I think this is in the ballpark but wondered what others thought.

Until I read thru the TN blurb he gave me I didnt realize a 16x16 transmission is also offered. Is this a new design or one thats been around for a while?

 

[Robert_in_NY]

The 16x16 has been around since the start of the TN series (if I recall right).

Does that price have a loader included? I have not priced a TN in a while but in 2000 the 2wd TN65 was around $15k and the 75 was a couple grand more but that was with the 8x8 tranny.

 

[jimg]

Nope, no loader. Compared to your machine its high but a look thru the NH used equip site shows comparably equipped units priced near $20k. I think he has room to move downward but Im just not sure by how much.

Well, I sure must have missed that then b/c I dont recall a 16x16.

One q I forgot to ask was concerning the wet clutch which comes w/ the power shuttle transmission. It has some sort of modulator which smooths direction changes. Is this also the case for gear changes? In other words it 'feathers' the clutch instead fo the operator for both direction and gear changes.

Forgot to mention that if I get my own financing theres an extra $1300 off the quoted price. That wold put it at $21900.

 

[LoneCowboy]

I dunno about 2wd's, but I know where to get the best price on TN's
PM me and I'll send it back

The power shuttle only works for direction changes.
You change gears like in a car, using the clutch while moving
But you can't change ranges while moving.
it's ok, it rarely happens.

if you don't get a loader, I don't see the reason for getting a Power Shuttle, how often are you going to go back and forth with only implements on the back? Save the 1500 bucks, get a mechanical shuttle.

 

[jimg]

Hi Brian
Thanx for the offer on the source for good prices but I decided early on that I was going to buy locally if I found a dealer I could trust. In fact when I started shopping around it was for a dealership rather than any particular brand. I think I found such a place here in Athens. He seems to understand that this is more about after sale service and parts than tractors/implements and treating his customers as hed like to be treated. So far hes spent a fair amount of time showing me the dealership and giving info. If I run into problems I think he'll be there whether its convenient for him or not. He lives in my neighborhood and stays in business b/c he gives good service/products to people he knows and who know him. So, while I very much appreciate your offer, I really want to support this outfit.

As for the poweshuttle shifting I guess Im not explaining it right. I just wondered if the clutch performs the same way when reversing direction as shifting. Does it modulate in both situations?

 

[LoneCowboy]

No
the powershuttle only works when reversing directions. (you can use the clutch if you want, but you don't have to)
to shift gears (within a range) you can be moving, but have to use the clutch.
to shift ranges, you have to use the clutch and be stopped (not nearly as big a deal as it sounds)

a PS is AWESOME for back and forth work (like with a FEL), but otherwise, you almost never use it. With no loader on yours, save the 1500 bucks and get the synchro shuttle.

Does that help?

 

[jimg]

A bit...let me try asking it this way...on a dry clutch the operator feathers the engagement/disengagment by the rate at which he pushes/releases the clutch pedal. So. for engagement, it can be either very abrupt if the operator lets up on the clutch quckly or very gentle if the operator gradually and smoothly lets out the pedal. The PS uses a wet clutch which will modulate for direction changes. In my experience the modulator slows the tractor down, does the gear change and then gradually reapplies power. For gear changes in the same direction I thought the older wet clutch systems wouldn't allow feathering. They had their own engagment 'routine' which reapplied power always in a gradual manner regardless of how abruptly/smoothly the operator let up on the clutch. Is this also the way the wet clutch works on the TN or does it allow the operator to feather it?

Thats right, Im not going for a loader on this machine. However, since the PS comes w/ a wet clutch I thought Id ask some questions about it to see if it might be useful. I think wet clutches tend to last longer and that was interesting to me.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

I can't answer your question as to how they work because I have never had to know yet. But I do remember RickB telling us that the power shuttle was worth the price because it gives you the wet clutch and I think a few other things. The wet clutch will last a lot longer then the dry clutch setup.

 

[Diesel-ME]

I have been doing lots of site work (house lots) with my landscape rake and am really really really loving the power shuttle on my TC55DA. It makes it real easy to work back and forth in smallish areas.

I leave the hand throttle all the way down and just use the foot throttle. On flat ground I just let off the throttle and flick the PS lever. Often I'm turned around and concentrating more on feathering the position lever to raise/lower the rake a bit. I never touch the clutch (or inching pedal as the case may be) and I rarely touch the brakes on flat ground.

It's going to be great for snow plowing too.

For pure ag work - dunno if the PS would matter. But I sure like it.

~paul

 

[jimg]

Robert...wished I could find that post by RickB. I did a search but the volume to look thru is rather large. The stuff I mentioned above I read over at ytmag (I think). Anyway, thanx for bringing it up. Thats pretty much the bottom line about the PS...I only want it for the wet clutch. I wondered if it might be worth the extra $$$ but wasnt sure. I know Id never use the PS extensively in my application although it might come in handy for mowing in certain instances. I should have mentioned all this up front. Sorry...

Diesel-ME...no as I said above I wouldnt use the PS really at all most of the time, its the wet clutch Im after.

Im wondering also if the 16x16 would be an advantage. I couldnt find any info about ground speeds for the various transmssions. That would be kind of interesting to see how that stacked up. Being able to shift w/i a range would be really handy for my application. Ideally the useful speeds would be contained w/i a single range vs being divided over 2 (or more).

Also noticed that the 75 comes std w/ the highest output hydraulic pump (16.9gpm). I cant quite figure that one out. This pump isnt even available as an option on the 85/95. Any ideas?

Back to clutches...the PTO clutch is dry and on the machine Im looking at is mechanically controlled. Is replacement of this clutch cause to break the tractor in half? Im guessing that its self adjusting.