Today, would you buy an EV vehicle.

[jyoutz]

Which is why I don’t buy new. If $5 gas is an issue to someone, they aren’t either.

I still have my 2007 Dodge Cummins.

 

[jyoutz]

It doesn't have to cost that, though. Base price on any of the big three pickups is around 30K. A 4WD 3/4 ton from those same manufacturers is under 40; which is also where the Lightening starts. It's your choice to jack up the price by adding all sorts of options, yet the truck won't last one mile longer than the base truck.

Very true, but it’s difficult to find a base truck on any dealers lot.

 

[Jstpssng]

Very true, but it’s difficult to find a base truck on any dealers lot.

I would rather order one and wait a few months than spend 50-60% more for addons which I don't need. Granted that's hard in today's market.

 

[California]

Kelly Blue Book data shows that the average transaction price for a full-size truck in January 2022 is just over $59,000.

I guess the Tesla model Y I've been considering that increased to $65k recently, isn't as unusual as I had thought. But so far, my 16 and 23 year old cars haven't given me an excuse to replace either of them.

 

[Jstpssng]

Kelly Blue Book data shows that the average transaction price for a full-size truck in January 2022 is just over $59,000.

I guess the Tesla model Y I've been considering that increased to $65k recently, isn't as unusual as I had thought. But so far, my 16 and 23 year old cars haven't given me an excuse to replace either of them.

I wish that I could say that. On this side of the world a car of that age is generally rusted out. 15 years seems to be the best that I can make them last, and that takes an effort.

 

[JasperFrank]

Can't at least one company, breakout from the bean counters, and give us what we want. Are we so small a population that it doesn't matter? A modular 125 HP truck that we can fix easily and inexpensively with NO creature comfort, no bells and whistles at all? Is there no money in this?

 

[California]

[...my 16 and 23 year old cars haven't given me an excuse to replace either of them.] I wish that I could say that. On this side of the world a car of that age is generally rusted out. 15 years seems to be the best that I can make them last, and that takes an effort.

California cars from the dry Central Valley. No rust at all. The 1999 Subaru Outback at 150k miles has done a half-dozen ski trips up to the snow and went to the car wash for underside pressure wash after each one. No salted roads aside from that. The Focus Wagon has never seen salt.

Both look great and run like new. 10k mile oil changes, the Focus is down a half quart at that point and the Subaru has consumed a top-up quart. For years now I've expected to replace one of these but so far I can't justify it.

Edit: I was looking for something else and found a photo I posted here in 2005. Both look the same today.

 

[Torvy]

Can't at least one company, breakout from the bean counters, and give us what we want. Are we so small a population that it doesn't matter? A modular 125 HP truck that we can fix easily and inexpensively with NO creature comfort, no bells and whistles at all? Is there no money in this?

The bean counters are there for the stockholders. Ordinary people own most stock, despite what pop culture suggests. Ordinary stockholders want the best return on investment they can get for their money. If company A makes a product that has an equilibrium price of $100k and another product with an equilibrium price of $50k, the margin % is likely close to the same. That means twice as much money available to sell the more expensive product. That yields more ROI for stockholders and management keeps their jobs. Ford is not competing just with other auto makers. If they don't make a good ROI, investors will move their money to a company or industry that will. Ultimately, it is the consumers that drive the market. If people don't buy a product that is ridiculously priced, the price will come down.

I feel your pain. I want a specific type of truck. 4wd w/ext cab and normal sized bed. The market is for double-cabs with short beds. Maybe 1 in 10 used trucks even meets my basic requirements. Unlike most people, I can wait years to get exactly what I want. Sometimes it hurts a bit and sometimes my home boss vetoes my decisions, but I usually get what I want for the price I am willing to pay...or I go without.

 

[Jstpssng]

The bean counters are there for the stockholders. Ordinary people own most stock, despite what pop culture suggests. Ordinary stockholders want the best return on investment they can get for their money. If company A makes a product that has an equilibrium price of $100k and another product with an equilibrium price of $50k, the margin % is likely close to the same. That means twice as much money available to sell the more expensive product. That yields more ROI for stockholders and management keeps their jobs. Ford is not competing just with other auto makers. If they don't make a good ROI, investors will move their money to a company or industry that will. Ultimately, it is the consumers that drive the market. If people don't buy a product that is ridiculously priced, the price will come down.

I feel your pain. I want a specific type of truck. 4wd w/ext cab and normal sized bed. The market is for double-cabs with short beds. Maybe 1 in 10 used trucks even meets my basic requirements. Unlike most people, I can wait years to get exactly what I want. Sometimes it hurts a bit and sometimes my home boss vetoes my decisions, but I usually get what I want for the price I am willing to pay...or I go without.

The other problem is that we keep buying them. When vehicle shopping, nobody wants to wait for a special order; we want it now, so are willing to pay for things we don't need. Then there's FMC... to get one popular option such as cruise you need to buy a package with all sorts of other garbage, which may add 2K or more to the price.

 

[JasperFrank]

Funny looking at used trucks, EVERY SALES PERSONS, said you have to buy now, or it will be gone the next day. This even after I said to the sales person that i was looking for a specific set of trucks. And that said, they never seemed to have one on hand anything that I requested.
I even had one sale person say in a questioning way, "Why are you so specific, as to make and model and year.?" As if, what i was looking for didn't matter.

Well, I looked up stuff? And this truck you are tiring to sell has an issue with its motor., or transmission and known failure points. Can you say these will not be a problem? And they can't say it will not be a problem. They, the sales persons, get stupid, then, rather quickly.