Top and Tilt

[MikeyB]

Does anyone have a Top and Tilt kit? I saw it in the JD parts catalog and thought it would really be something to control your rear implement from the seat. I am a little confused though. It seems to me you would need two Power Beyond kits to obtain 4 hose ports if thats possible. I have seen 1 control next to the rockshaft to control the center link tilt but what about the tilt feature of the three-point arm? I am sure this is way beyond my price range at the moment but I can dream can't I?

Thanks for any info,
Mike

 

[NDAWIND]

No power beyond required, you will need the electric diverter though which will put two sets of remotes at the rear of your tractor. You then turn on the diverter switch and your loader stick will then control the rear remotes. The lever next to rockshaft is for your third service which is one more set of remotes at the rear. I just installed that on my tractor, already had the diverter as mine had TNT before I got it.

Darrin

 

[roermo]

maybe a dumb question but have always wonder about this.

Will this then give you any amount of down pressure?

roger

 

[radman1]

This will not give you any down pressure. Down force is all gravity regardless of TNT.

 

[roermo]

thanks thought so, gravity and the weight of the imp. hum. I have a 4110 with rear blade would like to have more ump. Guess better put on more weight.

thanks

roger

 

[Mike120]

I've got just the top link because I rarely need to tilt any of my implements. Mine is Cat II and was pricy but it is worth it's weight in gold when it comes to hooking things up. With Pat's hooks and the top link I can hook up faster than I can with my other tractor that has a Speedco Quick Hitch.

You can get the TNT at Carter & Carter a whole lot cheaper than at JD.

Hydraulic top link, Top-N-Tilt, Side link

Mike

 

[MikeyB]

My tractor is still under warranty so I was worried about going with someone else. with your tnt what did you use for a valve? My JD dealer says I can get a valve control that goes next to my rockshaft control. Supposedly the valve is already there with my loader joystick. I just need the lever to control it but I suppose I'll need the Power Beyond kit to power the tnt cylinders.

Alot confused,
Mike

 

[NDAWIND]

Mike,

What your dealer is talking about is the third service and yes your tractor has it already, you just need to install the kit. It is very easy, I just did it myself. The first and second service is your loader joysick. When you add the third serive it puts one set of rear remotes on the back of your tractor. If all you want is to run the hyrdaulic top link, that is all you need. What a diverter does is add two rear remotes to the back of your tractor and a switch in the cab/or fender. When you turn the diverter on the first and second service is diverted from the loader to the rear. With TWO remotes you can run a Top and Tilt. If all you want is the top link, the third service is the way to go, way cheaper and you can use it to run a grapple latter also. You will NOT need power beyond unless you add a Hoe or something else that needs an open connection to the hyrdaulics. Hope this explaination makes sense.

Darrin

 

[jeffinsgf]

No down pressure? What's this?

Notice that my rear tires are about 3 inches off the ground. It will do that with the box blade while you're working if you push it a little too far.

 

[MikeyB]

NDAWind,

Thanks for the explanation. That finally makes sense to me!

Regards,
Mike

 

[NDAWIND]

No problem Mike, glad to help.

Darrin

 

[radman1]

No down pressure? What's this?

Notice that my rear tires are about 3 inches off the ground. It will do that with the box blade while you're working if you push it a little too far.

The only reason you have "down" pressure is because your lift arms are basically pushed completely upward as far as possible. Your top link is also longer than what most people use. A boxblade may sit back about 30" (not 4-5 feet as your bale/pallet carrier) and if tried in your situation, the boxblade would almost be vertical and unuseable.

 

[jeffinsgf]

The only reason you have "down" pressure is because your lift arms are basically pushed completely upward as far as possible. Your top link is also longer than what most people use. A boxblade may sit back about 30" (not 4-5 feet as your bale/pallet carrier) and if tried in your situation, the boxblade would almost be vertical and unuseable.

Darn, I better go out there and tell the 5 acres that I have graded with the boxblade and the toplink that it can't be graded right 'cause my boxblade was unusable.

In my opinion, the biggest reason to get a hydraulic top link is because you can extend it farther than a threaded top link, and you can tweak the angle of a box blade so that it bites in and presses down. I can assure you, when the boxblade lifts the rear tires off the ground, it is not vertical -- now usable could be debated. I never put that much pressure on trying to accomplish anything. Usually it was "geeing" when I should have been "hawing".

 

[jeepinator]

Interesting picture, Jeff.
Not only because of the top link that seems to have monster extension, but also because I am curious what you have bolted to the top of your ROPS?

 

[jeffinsgf]

Interesting picture, Jeff.
Not only because of the top link that seems to have monster extension, but also because I am curious what you have bolted to the top of your ROPS?

That's the bracket to mount a TuffTop canopy.

I guess I didn't realize that my top link had "monster" extension. It is the one sold by TBN member and advertiser, Carter & Carter. I sort of thought the extra extension was part of the reason for buying one. I know I'll never be without it.

 

[slaveToHorses]

jeffinsgf, got a laugh from your post!

There is a difference between down pressure and power tilt, though.
What you have is power tilt. With a long implement, it will lift the tractor, as you show. But, true down pressure would supply a downward force to the lift arms. A TNT setup does not accomplish that. Only a change to the rocker shaft design would do that, or auxilliary rams pushing down on the lift arms.

The effective difference is that you can't push the blade down without also changing the angle of the blade. picky picky picky...