Towbar Limit

[chilibit]

I read the 5030 manual. 850 kilos. I suppose that is the gentle tug load.

I have the 753 loader and thousands of bush honeysuckle to dispose of. Smaller ones can be rooted out with the tooth bar and loader. Larger ones are too tough. Curling the bucket to bring them up does not work.

I would like to keep them intact. Like a big tumbleweed so they are easier to move off.

I wondered if anyone has tried putting good load on the towbar with a 3/8 chain. What is going to break first?

I have hooks on the loader bucket, but it seems like a bad approach. Even with loaded rears and 1500 lbs of rotary cutter back there, the back pops right up.

Success stories welcome.

Thanks.

Vince

 

[Sully2]

I have the 753 loader and thousands of bush honeysuckle to dispose of. Smaller ones can be rooted out with the tooth bar and loader. Larger ones are too tough. Curling the bucket to bring them up does not work.

I would like to keep them intact. Like a big tumbleweed so they are easier to move off.

IVince

Lord! How BIG are yours?? Ive dug down with the FEL about 4 inches or so...and then rolled the bucket and popped mine out. Ive cleared..off and on..about 1/2 acre of that CR**! Tough wthout a doubt...but I dont even have a toothbar on my FEL.

 

[chilibit]

I have them mostly in borders and fence rows. A few miles I guess. The problem ones are kind of a multi-trunk arrangement maybe 12 inches in diameter. Maybe less, some more.

I am going to hitch up to a few tomorrow after I push it one way with the loader so I can get in close and see what happens. Otherwise it is a chainsaw at the base which is ugly work.

It was real bad yesterday, a ton of chiggers jumped into the loader all at once and nearly turned me over. They are awful around here this year.

Diesel and burning are looking better and better but it is too dry right now. And if you bring a dozer in you lose the good trees.

 

[Toolguy]

If I understand your question correctly I think you are asking what is the limit you can pull with the drawbar. The answer is anything you want to try to pull. Tire spin or lack of power will be the limiting factors. You won't hurt the tractor unless you start with a slack chain and try to jerk the load. If you start with a tight chain before applying maximum power you will be OK. Tractors are made to pull things and the drawbar is designed to handle anything the tractor is capable of pulling. Start out in the lowest gear and see what happens. As long as you pull directly from the drawbar, which is mounted below the axle, you will be safe. If you are not sure if you will be able to move something, just give it a try. If it moves, great. If it doesn't move then you will know that it is more than the tractor is capable of. Above all, be safe. Take it slow until you are comfortable with the task. In 4WD your 5030 will pull a pretty big load but it will have it's limits, too. If the tires spin and you are not moving, stop. Otherwise you will just dig holes and not accomplish anything. I wouldn't worry about damaging your machine. They are tough and made to do heavy work. Good luck and have fun!

 

[chilibit]

That sounds mighty rational.

I tugged on a walnut log Saturday that was 20 inches in diameter and 25 feet long with a root ball on the trailing end. Spun the right front tire on the wheel and it lost pressure. Pushed the pressure up to 45 and it pulled the log out of a pit. But I was at the limits of traction for sure.

What I need is a backhoe.

Thanks for the insights and reminders.

 

[Timber]

Try this approach, under cut it with the fel and don’t be afraid to get off the tractor and cut some roots with a madock , Now take a length of chain run it over a tire rim close to your root ball so as you pull it will lift up and out and not through the soil. On the tractor end go over the draw bar to the tow hitch so as your pulling you can use the draw bar to lift against the chain to add force to your pull. With a little faness and some practice you can get pretty good at this. When pulling root balls a madock along with your tractor will get you pretty far.

 

[Sully2]

I have them mostly in borders and fence rows. A few miles I guess. The problem ones are kind of a multi-trunk arrangement maybe 12 inches in diameter. Maybe less, some more.
I am going to hitch up to a few tomorrow after I push it one way with the loader so I can get in close and see what happens. Otherwise it is a chainsaw at the base which is ugly work.
It was real bad yesterday, a ton of chiggers jumped into the loader all at once and nearly turned me over. They are awful around here this year.
Diesel and burning are looking better and better but it is too dry right now. And if you bring a dozer in you lose the good trees.

12 inches!! WOW! You need someone in the Air Force and some NAPALM partner!..WOW!! GOOOOOOODDDD luck!

 

[timb]

Vince, re-read the manual for the exact wording. I have a hunch the 850 kilos you're seeing is not the draft (pull) load limit but the vertical (tongue weight) limit for the drawbar. 850kg=1870 lbs, probably about right. My slightly smaller Deere 4710 has an 1100 lb tongue limit, while the slightly larger Deere 5000's are over 2000 lbs. I've never seen a hard draft (pull) limit listed for a tractor (only trailer weight limits/recommendations which isn't the same thing.)

 

[chilibit]

timb,

You are right. My bad. The value (650, I don't know where I got 850) is the downward load on the drawbar. Not my situation. The wheel suggestion to change horizontal force into nearly vertical is great. I will have to scrounge an old wheel somewhere. Taller the better. For now, the limits of traction will keep me out of trouble.

I did not follow this exactly "On the tractor end go over the draw bar to the tow hitch so as your pulling you can use the draw bar to lift against the chain to add force to your pull." My drawbar does not move except side to side slightly and it is my only hitch (using a clevis eye and a chain with a non-slip hook. Did you mean go over the TPH arm. If I raise that and it goes higher than the rear axle (I don't think it will go that high actually) then that would tend to pull the front end up off the ground especially if I were pulling uphill which in many instances I must be.

1000 gallons of Roundup is looking cheaper by the minute.

Vince

 

[FamilyFarm]

If I remember right, the tractor towing limit (5030) is 6,600 lbs, or about 3000 kilos if my math is correct.

Terry

 

[Timber]

timb,

You are right. My bad. The value (650, I don't know where I got 850) is the downward load on the drawbar. Not my situation. The wheel suggestion to change horizontal force into nearly vertical is great. I will have to scrounge an old wheel somewhere. Taller the better. For now, the limits of traction will keep me out of trouble.

I did not follow this exactly "On the tractor end go over the draw bar to the tow hitch so as your pulling you can use the draw bar to lift against the chain to add force to your pull." My drawbar does not move except side to side slightly and it is my only hitch (using a clevis eye and a chain with a non-slip hook. Did you mean go over the TPH arm. If I raise that and it goes higher than the rear axle (I don't think it will go that high actually) then that would tend to pull the front end up off the ground especially if I were pulling uphill which in many instances I must be.

1000 gallons of Roundup is looking cheaper by the minute.

Vince

I don’t know what the back of you tractor looks like but I have a tow bar just under my rear axle were my 3 point hitch arms attach to the tractor. The reason I go over the draw bar to the hitch is you can control the down pressure directly to your rear wheels by lifting against the chain. I would also put wt in your loader too. This will direct all your power to the ground. Don’t be afraid to use those wheel brakes either. You only want to apply enough force against the chain to hold the tractor to the ground and not so much to lift your front end off the ground. Your right about the size of the rim the bigger the better! If you need even more force and you have enough chain look into a chain block or use a length of cable in a block if you have a place to anchor it and then you can pull down hill instead of up. You can use cable and chain together or if you don’t have an anchor in the perfect place use a length of chain on the block and let it find its own place. A block is great anyway it will allow to pull in several directions regardless of were you tractor is and it doubles your force.