</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Jinman, being master of the obvious and having been raised on an 8N, one does never have the PTO engaged (also operates the lift) when one has the drawbar with stays in place. The stays will keep it from dropping. BobG in VA )</font>
Bob, I'm sorry, but I don't think I understand what you are saying. The PTO on the 8N and the 3PH only have one thing in common. Neither will operate with the clutch pedal depressed. Other than that, if the clutch pedal is released, the 3PH can be raised with the PTO disengaged. I'm just not sure what your point is. Can you clarify your post a little for me? I'm confused... /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I'm attaching instructions for the lift arm stays from the Ford 8N Operator's Manual. Notice it shows the 3PH lift control chained down during the time the stays are in place. That goes along with what I said about not using the lift when the rigid stays are installed.
Some old Fords had a retrofitted fixed drawbar installed just below the PTO, like modern tractors have. I believe most did not have this feature as you can also see from the attached photo.
EDIT: After re-reading my 8N manual, I realize exactly what you are saying, Bob. I was incorrect in my description of the 3PH operation with the PTO disengaged. That's the way my Jubilee (with live hydraulics) operates, but on the 8N, you must engage the PTO for the 3PH to operate. That's why they made the last statement in the caution on the attachment.