Toyota Tundra to get Cummins 5.0L V8 Diesel too

[schmism]

I agree completely. It's a half ton, the diesel is being put in mostly for fuel mileage and still be a great pulling motor. No need to go big displacement for a half ton diesel. It defeats the purpose. I think ram got it right.

Who said it was a half ton? I think its clear Toyota wants to build roughly one truck to compete against but an F150 and F250. There is nothing about the current tundra or one that will come with a 5L diesel that says Im supposed to be a 1/2 ton truck. If anything Toyota is clearly makeing the statement that they are moving the stick in terms of what qualifies for the old classificiations of half ton 3/4 ton etc. With the current Tacoma comming close to what was called a 1/2 ton in the early 90s and the Tundra being more.

 

[Fordman1981]

Who said it was a half ton? I think its clear Toyota wants to build roughly one truck to compete against but an F150 and F250. There is nothing about the current tundra or one that will come with a 5L diesel that says Im supposed to be a 1/2 ton truck. If anything Toyota is clearly makeing the statement that they are moving the stick in terms of what qualifies for the old classificiations of half ton 3/4 ton etc. With the current Tacoma comming close to what was called a 1/2 ton in the early 90s and the Tundra being more.

Well if we go with your idea it will be a weak 3/4 ton. I don't think Toyota would enter the 3/4 and 1 ton market with the weakest offering. Again I think ram has nailed the 1/2 ton if they would up the payload a little and the towing to 10,000 lbs that is all a half ton needs. People that say fiat is ruining ram have no idea. Fiat is investing money in the ram and have the most payload and towing in the 1 ton field. I don't want to derail the thread more than has already been done I just think unless the fuel mileage numbers surprise me I think the Titan and the tundra are going the wrong way with a half ton diesel.

 

[handirifle]

After seeing what power the new diesels can produce, I am starting to think Nissan and Toyota are both doing the WRONG thing. Personally something in the 4.0L level would be absolutely ideal for a 1/2 ton for several reasons. One it would not have to be stressed as much as a smaller 3.0 to produce big 1/2 ton power levels, thus longer life, and greater fuel economy. I tend to think the Dodge 3.0 might be about maxed out for future upgrades, but I might be wrong. Power comes at a price.

A 4.0 would offer future power level upgrades with simple reprograming, if it were built right to start with.

When you consider the Ram 1500 is already getting 19.5 towing a 7400lb load and over 31 empty (Diesel Now magazine) then a 5.0 will not compete with that on mileage, and will most likely not produce the power levels of the current 3/4-1ton models are producing. All three are near or at 400hp and 700-800+ lb torque.

So they are only competing against themselves.

 

[Diamondpilot]

After seeing what power the new diesels can produce, I am starting to think Nissan and Toyota are both doing the WRONG thing. Personally something in the 4.0L level would be absolutely ideal for a 1/2 ton for several reasons. One it would not have to be stressed as much as a smaller 3.0 to produce big 1/2 ton power levels, thus longer life, and greater fuel economy. I tend to think the Dodge 3.0 might be about maxed out for future upgrades, but I might be wrong. Power comes at a price.

A 4.0 would offer future power level upgrades with simple reprograming, if it were built right to start with.

When you consider the Ram 1500 is already getting 19.5 towing a 7400lb load and over 31 empty (Diesel Now magazine) then a 5.0 will not compete with that on mileage, and will most likely not produce the power levels of the current 3/4-1ton models are producing. All three are near or at 400hp and 700-800+ lb torque.

So they are only competing against themselves.

I disagree. The 5.0 leaves room to grow and will offer a 12,000# tow rating plus. Nissan is already building 3/4 ton vehicles and this engine will be a competitor for 10 years or more.

The Ram's little diesel is maxed out or nearly there and can't compare to the gas offerings. As a grocery getter or fleet vehicle it may work but I can't think of a single person I know that would buy a truck with a 7500# tow rating. Every one I know has a truck.

Chris

 

[wmonroe]

That Cummins would be great in a 3/4 ton truck. Personally, that's just too much for a 1/2 ton. I think the 3.0L that Ram has is about the sweet spot in 1/2 ton diesel size.

I agree. It's funny at how many threads people complain about the diesels in the HD trucks and ask for a smaller displacement/lower hp option that gets better mileage, and when a truck comes out with a smaller displacement/lower hp option that gets great mileage you hear people complaining.

 

[C4Ranch]

Maybe they're building a 5/8's ton?

Seriously, I keep trying to justify a diesel but when the price of fuel is 25%-30% higher plus the engine typicall runs 3-4k more, I'm not able to see a payback. Don't see anyone getting even 20% better mpg.

 

[handirifle]

The 1500 Ram 7500lb rating is with the 3.55 gears. If you swap to the 3.90 gears the rating is over 9000, and that is a lot more competitive. Even with the 3.55 gears, I bet none of those gassers will tow 7400lbs and average 19.5 mpg while doing it. For crying out loud. Those are REAL world numbers on a brand new diesel engine. Not even broken in yet. My 2006 Toyota Tundra (double cab, 4.7L, 4x4, 6.5ft bed, do identical comparison) is rated for 7600lbs, and when I load my 5th wheel to right at 7k I get a whopping 9 mpg. Good grief, I only get 15 when it's empty. That 15 HIGHWAY, and 13 combined.

Lets see the Hemi, or the F150 Ecoboost, or the GM with even the 5.3, match those mpg's. Most of them will STRUGGLE to get 19.5 EMPTY.

Now on the 3.0 maxed out, I tend to agree, hence my suggestion of a 3.5 to 4.0L. I think if they are trying to steal the market for long term those would be better, but that's just this mans opinion. I never like to see any engine maxed out, that's asking for trouble. That goes for the Ecoboost as well.

The Ecoboost is the closest thing to a competitor and we have to wait on either of them for long term durability standards.

I am no longer in a diesel market. I bought one!! I now have a 2006 GMC 2500 Duramax, so I don't have to worry about getting maxed out with my rig. By the way, this truck with almost 3 times the towing capability of my Tundra, gets better mpg's already. I am happy.

Will they SELL the truck with a 5.0L Cummins? I think that unless the Nissan comes out and has tons of problems, they will sell as well as any high end 1/2 ton. I think Americans are slowly waking up to the advantages of diesel engines. The more we see long term drivers in cars like the Jetta TDI with their 45-48 mpg results, and tons of power, the more they will demand more diesel options, and the cheaper the cost differential will be.

 

[ericher69]

I disagree. The 5.0 leaves room to grow and will offer a 12,000# tow rating plus. Nissan is already building 3/4 ton vehicles and this engine will be a competitor for 10 years or more. The Ram's little diesel is maxed out or nearly there and can't compare to the gas offerings. As a grocery getter or fleet vehicle it may work but I can't think of a single person I know that would buy a truck with a 7500# tow rating. Every one I know has a truck. Chris

Diamondpilot,

I know 30+ guys with 1/2 tons to 1 ton trucks and little if any of them tow anything substantial with them more than a week a year.

Why the obsession with numbers? HP, GWVR, Payload etc etc.

There is a huge market for trucks that will get the job done (albeit maybe not quickly) without breaking the bank to have the latest and greatest out there.

My previous truck '06 F150 5.4 super crew FX4 had a 6600# tow rating; didn't stop me from buying it because I liked the look and feel of the truck.

My current ride '06 sierra xcab 4.8 4x4 same tow rating; does pull much better than the Ford but I digress...

I truly believe ALL current 1/2 ton trucks have majorly inflated tow numbers IMHO.

Then again I'm sure most will disagree.

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[Renze]

Toyota could get by easily with the 4.5 Diesel they put in the LandCruiser... Cummins 5.0 is the new 5.9 or 6.7 because those things will change...

 

[crazyal]

I wouldn't count on it just yet. There have been rumors that this will happen for years. Before that there were rumors that Toyota was going to use a Hino diesel. I'm not saying they wont, I'm just saying I would wait for an official press release before getting too excited. It would help the Tundra get a much needed boost in the MPG arena.