gmsssi
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Hard to believe you could buy a comparable Jimna for $500 less than a JD! You must have a GREAT dealer......... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Bob_Skurka
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Greg, there was a guy last year who compared a Jinma to a NH TC30 and factoring in options on the Jinma like switching to R4 tires and several other things, it actually turned out the TC30 was slightly less expensive (but not much), he bought it from Tarheel Tractor in NC and documented the entire process here on TBN. When he started looking at all the different tractors, he had no idea what brand he was going to get. There are enough of us who have been around long enough to have seen this same thing repeated too many times with too many brands to believe that Big 3 tractors are over priced. I think some people can't get the dealer's price down, and end up walking away and buying another brand, but then someone else gets a killer price to prove it not only can be done, but is done on a regular basis at Big 3 dealers all across the country.
Right now I am amazed at how competitive Kubota is, NH and Deere seem to be higher than Kubota, and I've got a bunch of PMs from people who priced Kubota against minor brands where Kubota is at or below the minor brands for roughly similar machines. NH needs to get its costs in line, they make machines with greater capacity per pound than any brand I know of, but their costs have crept up to the point that they are simply more expensive than most brands. The main reason to buy a NH now is for features that can't be had on other brands. It is odd, but every year the pricing seems to change in favor of one brand or another. 2 years ago, NH was offering very very hot prices in my area, now Kubota is growing marketshare with great machines at great prices.
Right now I am amazed at how competitive Kubota is, NH and Deere seem to be higher than Kubota, and I've got a bunch of PMs from people who priced Kubota against minor brands where Kubota is at or below the minor brands for roughly similar machines. NH needs to get its costs in line, they make machines with greater capacity per pound than any brand I know of, but their costs have crept up to the point that they are simply more expensive than most brands. The main reason to buy a NH now is for features that can't be had on other brands. It is odd, but every year the pricing seems to change in favor of one brand or another. 2 years ago, NH was offering very very hot prices in my area, now Kubota is growing marketshare with great machines at great prices.
Mavrik02
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GMT...with 20 acres of flat land to cut you may want to figure out how much time you want to spend in the hot Texas sun cutting the field. If it was me I would buy the mower first and then size the tractor around it /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
RE Pricing: One thing I've learned here on TBN is that prices are very area specific. During my just concluded search here in Western PA the Kubota B3030 was $4300 more than the Kioti CK30HST (lowest bid to lowest bid). With that big of a price difference the decision was not very difficult. I wish it wasn't so because I grew up a Kubota fan and the local dealer is only 3 miles away.
As Bob points out this may not be the case in other areas.
RE Pricing: One thing I've learned here on TBN is that prices are very area specific. During my just concluded search here in Western PA the Kubota B3030 was $4300 more than the Kioti CK30HST (lowest bid to lowest bid). With that big of a price difference the decision was not very difficult. I wish it wasn't so because I grew up a Kubota fan and the local dealer is only 3 miles away.
As Bob points out this may not be the case in other areas.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Right now I am amazed at how competitive Kubota is, NH and Deere seem to be higher than Kubota, and I've got a bunch of PMs from people who priced Kubota against minor brands where Kubota is at or below the minor brands for roughly similar machines. NH needs to get its costs in line, they make machines with greater capacity per pound than any brand I know of, but their costs have crept up to the point that they are simply more expensive than most brands. The main reason to buy a NH now is for features that can't be had on other brands. It is odd, but every year the pricing seems to change in favor of one brand or another. 2 years ago, NH was offering very very hot prices in my area, now Kubota is growing marketshare with great machines at great prices. )</font>
The Kubota prices are competitive, until one starts adding on the standard features the "minor brands" include in their prices. At that point the "minor brands" and the Kubota value priced tractors part company quickly.
A lot of the pricing comes down to what one wants out of the tractor. If you do not want some of the features that are included in the Mahindra, Kiotis, etc., then you can likely get a very comparably priced big three machine. If you want some of the extras the big three machine will likely run a couple of thousand more, or in the case of some brands $5,000+ more.
The Kubota prices are competitive, until one starts adding on the standard features the "minor brands" include in their prices. At that point the "minor brands" and the Kubota value priced tractors part company quickly.
A lot of the pricing comes down to what one wants out of the tractor. If you do not want some of the features that are included in the Mahindra, Kiotis, etc., then you can likely get a very comparably priced big three machine. If you want some of the extras the big three machine will likely run a couple of thousand more, or in the case of some brands $5,000+ more.
JINMA224XR
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<font color="blue"> Greg, there was a guy last year who compared a Jinma to a NH TC30 and factoring in options on the Jinma like switching to R4 tires and several other things, it actually turned out the TC30 was slightly less expensive (but not much), he bought it from Tarheel Tractor in NC and documented the entire process here on TBN. </font>
Hey Bob,
Would you be so kind, as to direct me to that post. I would like to see the comparison for myself.
Before I purchased my Jinma, I looked at all of the other brands, and I mean all of them. JD, NH, MF, Mahindra, Kioti, Long, FarmTrac, New and Used, and I couldn't find anything to compare to the prices of the Brand New Jinma Tractors. But I'm probably one of those, that just doesn't know how to apply the "Horse Trading Technique" correctly.
Get your tractors running &
Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Hey Bob,
Would you be so kind, as to direct me to that post. I would like to see the comparison for myself.
Before I purchased my Jinma, I looked at all of the other brands, and I mean all of them. JD, NH, MF, Mahindra, Kioti, Long, FarmTrac, New and Used, and I couldn't find anything to compare to the prices of the Brand New Jinma Tractors. But I'm probably one of those, that just doesn't know how to apply the "Horse Trading Technique" correctly.
Get your tractors running &
Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
MikePA
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<font color="blue"> The Kubota prices are competitive, until one starts adding on the standard features the "minor brands" include in their prices. At that point the "minor brands" and the Kubota value priced tractors part company quickly. </font>
While this might be true in your area, it is not true everywhere. It's blanket statements like this that can start a flame war.
There are people on TBN, Dargo being one example, who purchased a Kubota tractor "...for quite a bit less than the 2nd tier Kioti and for about the same price as JD."
While this might be true in your area, it is not true everywhere. It's blanket statements like this that can start a flame war.
There are people on TBN, Dargo being one example, who purchased a Kubota tractor "...for quite a bit less than the 2nd tier Kioti and for about the same price as JD."
BillG_in_TX
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<font color="red">Would you be so kind, as to direct me to that post. </font>
"I didn't see the big savings????"
"I didn't see the big savings????"
gippolit
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These are facts from my tractor search. I purchased a CK30hst for 20500 with loader, 8.5 foot Rhino backhoe, canopy, grillgard, rear work lights and all filters. I comparied Kubota, JD and NH. The Kioti gave me many more features for a lot less money. The average was about 3000. What most people don't do is add the price for all the extra features your getting with a Kioti. So those blanket statements there the same money is just not true. Add in all those features. I do think my ck30 with perform with the best of them.
Regards;
Glen
Regards;
Glen
JINMA224XR
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<font color="blue">
Would you be so kind, as to direct me to that post.
I didn't see the big savings????
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Hey Bill,
Thanks for directing me to the Post that Bob was referring to.
I don't think that the prices, that was quoted for the Jinma Tractors are very accurate. As I could have gotten a 25HP 4wd, ps, canopy, rear wheel weights, front suitcase weights, ag tires, for $5800, out the door. Loader and other equipment is on top of that and also the R4 tires on top of that as well.
However in my case, my budget was even more restricted, and got a 20-22HP Jinma 224, 4wd, ps, canopy, rear wheel wts., front suitcase weights, Ag tires, Adjustable Suspension Seat for $4850, out the door. I priced all of the other brands, and they were much more than I paid. Most were about twice as much.
Believe me, if I could have gotten a more well know brand or any other tractor, I would have, but the savings when I purchased my tractor was with the Jinma. I may have slipped up, but I just haven't seen my purchaseing error yet. I talked with them all and when I told them, what I could get a Jinma for, they said that they just couldn't compete with the Chinese Prices. I was paying cash though, with no financing involved.
Get your tractors Running &
Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Would you be so kind, as to direct me to that post.
I didn't see the big savings????
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Hey Bill,
Thanks for directing me to the Post that Bob was referring to.
I don't think that the prices, that was quoted for the Jinma Tractors are very accurate. As I could have gotten a 25HP 4wd, ps, canopy, rear wheel weights, front suitcase weights, ag tires, for $5800, out the door. Loader and other equipment is on top of that and also the R4 tires on top of that as well.
However in my case, my budget was even more restricted, and got a 20-22HP Jinma 224, 4wd, ps, canopy, rear wheel wts., front suitcase weights, Ag tires, Adjustable Suspension Seat for $4850, out the door. I priced all of the other brands, and they were much more than I paid. Most were about twice as much.
Believe me, if I could have gotten a more well know brand or any other tractor, I would have, but the savings when I purchased my tractor was with the Jinma. I may have slipped up, but I just haven't seen my purchaseing error yet. I talked with them all and when I told them, what I could get a Jinma for, they said that they just couldn't compete with the Chinese Prices. I was paying cash though, with no financing involved.
Get your tractors Running &
Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
MikePA
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<font color="blue"> So those blanket statements...</font>
Who is making blanket statements? Most, if not all, people on this thread, and every other thread when this comes up have said that pricing is regional.
<font color="blue">...there the same money is just not true. </font>
The logical conclusion of this statement is that any TBNer who say they priced out one, or more, of the big 3 and found them less expensive than a second tier tractor are;
(1) Stupid - They can't see the tractors aren't equipped the same
(2) Lieing
(3) Stupid and Lieing
<font color="blue">I do think my ck30 with perform with the best of them. </font>
Who said it couldn't?
Why can't people simply say why they are happy with the tractor they bought instead of thinking they have to defend the honor of their tractor/brand at the slightest real, or imagined, criticism. It's not becoming of the TBN spirit and drags TBN down to the online culture of almost every other discussion forum on the Internet.
Who is making blanket statements? Most, if not all, people on this thread, and every other thread when this comes up have said that pricing is regional.
<font color="blue">...there the same money is just not true. </font>
The logical conclusion of this statement is that any TBNer who say they priced out one, or more, of the big 3 and found them less expensive than a second tier tractor are;
(1) Stupid - They can't see the tractors aren't equipped the same
(2) Lieing
(3) Stupid and Lieing
<font color="blue">I do think my ck30 with perform with the best of them. </font>
Who said it couldn't?
Why can't people simply say why they are happy with the tractor they bought instead of thinking they have to defend the honor of their tractor/brand at the slightest real, or imagined, criticism. It's not becoming of the TBN spirit and drags TBN down to the online culture of almost every other discussion forum on the Internet.
