Tractor Weight

MessickFarmEqu · Apr 12, 2004

I think this thread covers the issue pretty well. To add to it, I have not heard one customer complain that their Kubota was too light. One the other hand, I have had others complain about their tractors being too heavy.

Kubota/NH/Deere does do a good job of matching weight of the tractor to the capability implements. People like to compare numbers, bigger is better kinda thing. I don't think there is much substance to it.

shoppintractors · Apr 12, 2004

trescrows writes,
 Don't go by horsepower, 

I agree. The horsepower is used for marketing purposes because the less informed buyer uses horsepower as the main measuring stick when comparing tractors.

DAP writes,
 I'm told although becoming an owner of one if these will be difficult as the production run is very small (50/50) so I've read.

This is merely the initial shipment and are expected to be snapped up. More CK25/30's are expected in subsequent shipments following the first 50/50.

 The point is ... they are in fact Kioti's answer to the B2410 and the B7800/B2910 respectively.

mmmmm......to clarify....the CK25 and CK30 are both on the same size frame with many deluxe features and would aline closer to a B2910. The B2410 alines closer to the CK20.

When people equate Kioti with the earlier model Kioti's my response is.....Have you checked out Kioti LATELY?

Don

5030 · Apr 12, 2004

Shoppintractors:

The only horsepower figure a prospective tractor purchaser should be concerned with is PTO horsepower. Flywheel or brake horsepower is of little use in comparing tractors.

Steve_Miller · Apr 12, 2004

Here's another question then, if the Kubota is built light for mowing or estate use,etc..., when your doing heavier work with FEL, backhoe,plowing, can the tractor handle extra weight for doing this work on a regular basis without putting extra wear and tear on bearings, seals,etc...? Not to hijack your post but I am curious as I'm considering a B7610 or TC24DA in the near future.

Steve

cckjone · Apr 13, 2004

( Which one is better? Whichever one you like best. )

Holy cow…did I actually read a cogent explanation concerning tractor weight? I must have landed in the wrong forum!

TresCrows · Apr 13, 2004

DAP, I have nothing against a Kioti. I think the new CK liue looks great. They seem to have the features of a B series but more the weight of an L series. Kind of a new niche to jump into maybe?. In any case, I saw the CK20 at a show here recently and was impressed. Overall, it is not quite as refined looking as the kubota but before you go off the deep end I thought they had a number of clever things on the tractor. It did not have a MMM mounted so I cannot judge that but I liked the tractor. I don't think I will trade my 2410 for it but if I were shopping today I certainly would give it a look see.
As has been noted, the B series Kubotas match light weight with powerful engines in a balanced package that is hard to beat. I don't think Kioti is quite there yet--my opinion. J

MikePA · Apr 13, 2004

Speaking to a Kioti dealer the other day,
This should have been your first clue /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif , a salesman was saying it.

...he pointed out how much heavier a 20-horse Kioti is than a 20-horse Kubota. 
If Kioti's were lighter than Kubotas, he would have been pointing that out. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Discussions about the weight of a tractor come up frequently on TBN, probably because weight, along with hp, is an easy statistic to understand and compare. However, IMHO, (1) It should be pretty far down the list of evaluation criteria and (2) You have to make sure the weights of the tractors you're comparing were all measured the same way. Pretty soon, you are off on a wild goose chase, trying to make sure the tractors are all measured the same, and you forget about the more important aspects of a tractor purchase.

The hp of the tractor to do what you want it to do, does it have the features you need, the features you want and, most importantly, how's the dealer for service and support after the sale.

MessickFarmEqu · Apr 13, 2004

"The point is ... they are in fact Kioti's answer to the B2410 and the B7800/B2910 respectively"

The CK's are nothing like the Kubota premier tractors. It lacks all the adjustments on the 3 point, does not have the wrap around operators platform, lacks the complex headlight and so forth. That's essencialy what your paying for with the 2410/2910. A comparision of the CK's HST models to the Kubota basic series is fair, but not more than that. People seem to like to compare unequal units to show a higher precieved value somtimes.

shoppintractors · Apr 13, 2004

Neil,

Your information is flawed........

 It lacks all the adjustments on the 3 point 

Standard CK25/30 Equipment as follows from Kioti.com
Telescopic stabilizer
Adjustable lift rod with bevel gear crank
3pt hitch speed adjuster
Telescopic 3 point hitch ends

The CK's are nothing like the Kubota premier tractors. A comparison of the CK's HST models to the Kubota basic series is fair, but not more than that. 

Far from the truth(IMO)....

model .................CK25/30 B2910
Hyd. pump output.......12.7.......9.5
3point lift @24"...........1764......1300

PTO hp
CK30 HST - 23.5
B2910 - 22

Sloped hood with curved arm loader has better visibility, higher lift capacity, higher maximum lift and higher breakout force. The CK's even have mud guards at the front of the operators platform with integrated safety lighting as well as a deluxe suspension style seat, tilt steering wheel and position control. .........see the attached picture.

Complete specs are available at www.kioti.com

 People seem to like to compare unequal units to show a higher precieved value somtimes.

hmmmmm.........

(Neil, sorry if this sounds like a rant but just trying to keep the information
accurate.......with no spin /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif.)

Don

TresCrows · Apr 13, 2004

OK, the Kioti is best, Kubota is going out of buisness because they make light, cheap tractors--whatever--next. Isn't there a Kioti forum for discussion of Kioti? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif, I thought this was Kubota forum, my mistake. It seems to me that an exhaustive discussion of Kioti features should take place there. If I am wrong, forgive me /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif. J