Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs?

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/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #181  
I guess American companies may want to bring their manufacturing back to the US instead of Mexico and China who BTW still uses slave labor and child labor.
Have you ever toured the large U.S. manufacturing plants in Mexico? I’ve been to the Ford plant in Chihuahua. Modern, nice, and uniform wearing adults do the assembly. The families live in new corporate communities adjacent to the plants. The BNSF has direct rail from Chihuahua City to the Santa Theresa, NM port of entry for trade purposes. It’s very integrated and not like you’re suggesting. We should be cultivating North American trade with efficient transportation and scaling way back on overseas Asian trade. There is child labor in the agricultural sector in Mexico, just like the U.S. used to have. The Asian countries do have child and slave labor.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #182  
350c, welcome to the discussion!

"Revenge" and "Retribution" have been bandied about freely, the media is quoting the sources. Exactly who is going to be the recipient isn't clear, it could be the "deep state" (whatever that means, but the phrase plays very well to conspiracy theorists), it could be "immigrants" (remember, to the native Americans, we are ALL illegal immigrants, the definition seems to be "anyone who got here after I did"), or whoever displeases the government in power (no matter which one it is), and that is downright scary because there really is no way to know if YOU or I will someday be on the receiving end of that, or why. We're supposed to be a nation of laws, not a nation of vigilantes.

Fraud in Social Security? And in other government programs? Who'da thunk it? I doubt it is pervasive, because it appears they do pay attention to who gets the money and how much. Any time there is a lot of money floating around, there will always be people looking to beat the system and pocket some for themselves. An audit can't hurt, but going in with the idea that the whole thing is rife with fraud is probably incorrect.

I used to teach accounting, and there's something called the Principle of Materiality. If your accountant tells you it took him six hours but he found the dime your books were off, fire him. His labor cost you six times his hourly rate ($50/hr? $75/hr?) so how would you feel about paying $300/$450 to recover a dime?

Same thing - when we are talking trillions of dollars spread out over a bazillion often arcane government programs, there ARE going to be errors, and unfortunately, there is going to be some fraud. I don't like that, but I also don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Drugs . . . this isn't going to be comfortable, but WE are the cause of the illegal drug trade. There's a huge market for drugs here (and to be fair, worldwide), if nobody wanted drugs, bought drugs or used drugs, the cartels would have to find some other way to make money.

If we could find a non-draconian way to significantly reduce demand, the supply would dry up because if nobody wants to buy the product, what's the point of making it?

We might want to look at WHY people buy and use illegal drugs, how they think drug use benefits them (hint- it doesn't), and find or create ways that give them the same (dubious and/or illusory) "benefits" but that don't involve illegal drugs.

Tall order, but we can dream . . .

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida
Well said
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #183  
Not sure about the tarrifs, but I have been sleeping much better since Election Day, because my fear of going up in a mushroom cloud or of my next tractor needing to be battery powered is much lessened.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #184  
I don't look at the Mexican people as the enemy. But "helping" corrupt Marxist style governments has a very bad track record...... and with China lurking and the Cartels in full blown production of fentanyl, human trafficking, smuggling,etc. how could anyone expect anything but a promotion of the same plan? Those in power will be the ones that reap the benefits of exporting tariff free goods into the US. Maybe we can best put out their fires by helping them dump the cartels?
The need to put out our own fire should come first.... Lets give it a try...... can't be worse than the last four years, and if it is, (which it won't be) you can vote your preferred economical direction back in charge.

add; the media is rounding up fear of Trump including the nay-sayer economic "experts." Most now say (behind the scenes) that tariffs as a negotiation tool will work. They just don't like the players.

Our interests are preserving the western hemisphere, but negotiating with those that share it is not about USA give and Canada and Mexico get....Reciprocal trade along with other negotiated terms will likely be a package deal where both parties will agree to.
I agree totally with your last paragraph. But as I’ve stated in several posts, we currently have integrated industrial facilities across North America. It’s not a matter of the U.S. giving and Mexico getting related to trade. And as I posted yesterday, Mexico buys a very large amount of U.S. exports from many sectors of the economy.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #185  
Sad to say, he said tariffs were going on many/all imports and wouldn't effect pricing! Just about all major companies have their products made in China or Mexico... My GMC Yukon has many parts made in Mexico and Canada. Will the ones be happy who voted for him because of his polices? Just have to wait and see the end results! Start checking the "made in..." tags.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #186  
After reading the entire thread and all the whining, all I can say is we need to refrain from buying Chinese goods any way possible. Far as Kubota is concerned, I believe the new administration will cut Japan a deal on import duties like they did the last time. India, not so much and I believe the Japanese easing will pertain to South Korea as well.

I wonder if JD will curtail production in Mexico and come back to the United States.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #188  
After reading the entire thread and all the whining, all I can say is we need to refrain from buying Chinese goods any way possible. Far as Kubota is concerned, I believe the new administration will cut Japan a deal on import duties like they did the last time. India, not so much and I believe the Japanese easing will pertain to South Korea as well.

I wonder if JD will curtail production in Mexico and come back to the United States.
JD has a long term focus beyond the next 4 years. They also sell an awful lot of green tractors in Mexico. JD and Massey tractors are seen everywhere in agricultural regions where I’ve traveled. I’m sure a lot of the Mexican production is sold in Mexico and further south.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #191  
I suspect the tariff on Mexican goods coming to us is more about Mexico doing it's part in curtailing the flow of Illegals than anything else. It's a lever so to speak to curtail that influx. We cannot keep on going on with the illegals coming into this country, no matter what country they originated from.

I suspect that Tom Homan will put a crimp on it, one way or another. In reality it's not just the southern border either. Our border with Canada is also suspect.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #192  
It appears we are soon going to have tariffs of 20% and more on anything imported from anywhere.

What does this mean for us here at TBN?

Unless tractors, accessories, attachments and parts get an exemption ("necessary services" or something), prices of imported tractors are going to go up by at least 20%. If we finance, payments will go up, since the tractors cost more, insurance (if applicable) will also go up.

Prices for used tractors will also go up (as if they aren't high enough already), just like the prices of used cars rose almost in lock-step with the increased prices and limited availability (from Covid) did on new cars.

As tractors become more and more expensive, we will either keep what we have longer or if we are in a business that relies on tractors, we will have to raise our prices when tractors and parts become significantly more expensive. Fewer tractors will be sold, because WE don't get a 20% raise to compensate for the 20% price increase from the tariffs.

Anyone who uses a tractor as a service (land clearing, mowing, etc.) will also have to raise their prices because their costs just increased.

This all means higher prices for lots of people, many of whom don't even realize there is a tractor somewhere in the "food chain" of goods and services they buy.

This affects Kubota, Kioti, Mahindra, some John Deere, and others. Deere moved part of their production to Mexico to keep the retail price down, and if they decide to come back, their prices will have to go up.

The issues with across the board tariffs are that they increase the cost of anything imported and WE pay these tariffs, not the manufacturers. Tariffs are a tax on US, and they are intended to discourage us from buying imported things, whether or not those things are even produced or available domestically.

A further problem is that when a domestic manufacturer is protected by arbitrary tariffs, they have ZERO incentive to improve their products (because there is no competition) and their prices can rise (again, because there is no competition). You may recall the "invasion" of Japanese cars in the 80s - Detroit had become totally complacent, and protected by tariffs, continued making and selling the same crappy cars they had been making for years. Eventually, they all went broke and had to be bailed out by the government, using OUR tax dollars to do it. (Yes, they eventually paid back most of the loans, and lots of jobs were saved. We may have to do it again because the current crop of Chinese electric cars are very good indeed, and amazingly inexpensive because they often are subsidized by their government.)

Arbitrary tariffs are a mistake. There is, however a rationale for targeted tariffs. If an overseas company is "dumping" their product at or below cost to put a domestic competitor out of business, that is a legitimate reason for a tariff. Interestingly, if it two domestic companies engage in a price war, there is no law against that, and in fact, it happens all the time.

After WW2, the US was the only real market for anything, nobody else had any money and they were busy rebuilding from the war. Now, however, there are lots of countries that can afford to buy imported stuff, and it might be very tempting to a tractor manufacturer (and not just to tractor manufacturers) to abandon what they see as a "hostile" market and sell to customers around the world instead.

Some of them MAY establish factories here, as Honda and Toyota have done, but some of them are simply going to say the US market just isn't worth the trouble and sell elsewhere. Establishing a local factory isn't done overnight, either.

In the interim, we'll have higher prices (new and used) and a narrower selection.

There is an old Chinese curse - "May you live in interesting times." We do.

(Kevlar and fireproof suit on!)

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida
You need to buy new equipment every year? You are kind of tough on your tools maybe you should learn how to use them correctly. A tractor should last a decade with proper maintenance many lasting a lifetime. Retrain your staff to change the oil at least once every generation or before the turn of the next century. Your post is comical, if you have a business, your tax accountant can steer you in the right direction. You need a better education on tax strategies and cost mitigation.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #195  
Woke up this morning to read that the Mexican President has agreed to stop the migrants crossing into the US through her country.
It was an easy step for her, mostly because it was taken about a year ago.
Mexico Border
 
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/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #196  
Care to provide a substantiating link to your comment (other than the X link which says nothing about what you allude to). Don't read between the lines. Doing that is tantamount to just observation.

If Mexico does have some sort of law in place, they certainly not enforcing it from what I see.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #197  
I remember traveling through the Midwest and seeing many soybean fields being plowed under instead of being harvested.
When? Time of the year and where? I live and travel there a lot. I don’t recall seeing that happen. Are you sure they were harvestable soy beans and not cover crops or residual new growth?
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #198  
The buckets (5g) of gravel I bought the other day - only needed a little bit - were sold at the same price as when I bought buckets 10 years ago!
Ergo, there's no inflation.

*snicker*
(I suspect they pretty much don't care about the cost of buckets of gravel at the plant, they can't give it away for free so the $1 is a "uh... how about a dollar" price they chose once and such a minuscule quantity is sold that way that it doesn't make even a hundredth of a percent of difference to the bottom line)
Those $1 buckets of stone likely funded the coffee and donuts. On paper they never existed.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #199  
Never seen that either though Soybeans are a legume crop so plowing them under will add Nitrogen to the soil. Soybeans, vernal alfalfa, radishes and a few other crops enhance the N in the soil.

Around here, most producers plant hybrid wild radish as cover crops and incorporate them in the spring prior to planting.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #200  
I just cut open a sleeve of bacon this morning.
$8.99

Yeah, we got inflation under control now…. :rolleyes:
 
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