Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs?

Citydude · Nov 30, 2024

jyoutz said:
I have to ask how the cartels are getting fully automatic firearms. These are not things that we just go and buy at our local gun stores.

The Taliban and gun brokers in Ukraine?

2manyrocks · Nov 30, 2024

I guess they buy FDA approved drugs with lawful prescriptions from the local pharmacy, too.

CloverKnollFarms · Nov 30, 2024

Sounds like productive talks with Mexico and Canada. I feel like we have seen this before. "THE SKY IS FALLING"

And it never does.

Wobblin-Goblin · Nov 30, 2024

Trump understands deal making and I'm sure he's using the mere threat of tariffs to get Mehico and Snow Mehico to come to the table.

sunandsand · Nov 30, 2024

Going to be very, very difficult indeed to stem the flow of US-origin firearms to Mexico (and to a slightly lesser extent, to Haiti).

US citizens have the constitutional right to buy firearms and ammunition subject to minimal restrictions - need a background check, wait a few days, show proof of age for ammo, I think California limits the number of firearms you can buy in a certain time period, and the capacity of magazines. All in all, the restrictions are quite minimal. I have no problem with my neighbor who has a seriously huge stash of ammo, and a good friend of mine (very recently deceased, medical issue) had a 20 foot container on his property STUFFED with long guns, which he had been collecting for years.

The reason the cartels and Haitian gangs are able to easily buy US origin firearms is that once I buy a gun, there are essentially no restrictions on how long I have to keep it or who I can sell it to, trade it to, or even give it to.

So the cartel needs a gun, they find a US citizen who has lost his job, is behind on his mortgage/rent/credit cards/car payment or has a medical problem - or all of the above - and they say to him "We'll pay you $XXX to buy us a firearm and we'll pay for it as well." Everything the US buyer does is 100% legal.

Multiply by 10,000 or more . . . a month. Remember, the cartels have LOTS of cash, they pay no taxes, the cost of their product is low and it sells for a lot, and they sell a LOT of it - so paying someone to procure the "tools of the trade" isn't a problem for them.

Now they have to move the guns to the destination. They seem to be pretty good at moving things INTO the US, they're likely at least as good at moving things OUT of the US, especially if they can bribe (or blackmail) a customs official in the destination country - again, not a problem for the cartels, the official is also broke and his government can't protect him or his family. Path of least resistance (and probably survival) is to look the other way.

I don't know "the answer" for this, but I'd be curious as to why someone bought ten AR-15s and 10,000 rounds of ammunition. There must be some VERY aggressive deer and prairie dogs in this guys' neighborhood . . .

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida

jyoutz · Nov 30, 2024

sunandsand said:
Going to be very, very difficult indeed to stem the flow of US-origin firearms to Mexico (and to a slightly lesser extent, to Haiti).

US citizens have the constitutional right to buy firearms and ammunition subject to minimal restrictions - need a background check, wait a few days, show proof of age for ammo, I think California limits the number of firearms you can buy in a certain time period, and the capacity of magazines. All in all, the restrictions are quite minimal. I have no problem with my neighbor who has a seriously huge stash of ammo, and a good friend of mine (very recently deceased, medical issue) had a 20 foot container on his property STUFFED with long guns, which he had been collecting for years.

The reason the cartels and Haitian gangs are able to easily buy US origin firearms is that once I buy a gun, there are essentially no restrictions on how long I have to keep it or who I can sell it to, trade it to, or even give it to.

So the cartel needs a gun, they find a US citizen who has lost his job, is behind on his mortgage/rent/credit cards/car payment or has a medical problem - or all of the above - and they say to him "We'll pay you $XXX to buy us a firearm and we'll pay for it as well." Everything the US buyer does is 100% legal.

Multiply by 10,000 or more . . . a month. Remember, the cartels have LOTS of cash, they pay no taxes, the cost of their product is low and it sells for a lot, and they sell a LOT of it - so paying someone to procure the "tools of the trade" isn't a problem for them.

Now they have to move the guns to the destination. They seem to be pretty good at moving things INTO the US, they're likely at least as good at moving things OUT of the US, especially if they can bribe (or blackmail) a customs official in the destination country - again, not a problem for the cartels, the official is also broke and his government can't protect him or his family. Path of least resistance (and probably survival) is to look the other way.

I don't know "the answer" for this, but I'd be curious as to why someone bought ten AR-15s and 10,000 rounds of ammunition. There must be some VERY aggressive deer and prairie dogs in this guys' neighborhood . . .

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida

What you are overlooking is the cartels have fully automatic weapons, not semiautomatic AR-15s. And those aren’t bought and sold by most Americans.

RayIN · Dec 1, 2024

sunandsand said:
Going to be very, very difficult indeed to stem the flow of US-origin firearms to Mexico (and to a slightly lesser extent, to Haiti).

US citizens have the constitutional right to buy firearms and ammunition subject to minimal restrictions - need a background check, wait a few days, show proof of age for ammo, I think California limits the number of firearms you can buy in a certain time period, and the capacity of magazines. All in all, the restrictions are quite minimal. I have no problem with my neighbor who has a seriously huge stash of ammo, and a good friend of mine (very recently deceased, medical issue) had a 20 foot container on his property STUFFED with long guns, which he had been collecting for years.

The reason the cartels and Haitian gangs are able to easily buy US origin firearms is that once I buy a gun, there are essentially no restrictions on how long I have to keep it or who I can sell it to, trade it to, or even give it to.

So the cartel needs a gun, they find a US citizen who has lost his job, is behind on his mortgage/rent/credit cards/car payment or has a medical problem - or all of the above - and they say to him "We'll pay you $XXX to buy us a firearm and we'll pay for it as well." Everything the US buyer does is 100% legal.

Multiply by 10,000 or more . . . a month. Remember, the cartels have LOTS of cash, they pay no taxes, the cost of their product is low and it sells for a lot, and they sell a LOT of it - so paying someone to procure the "tools of the trade" isn't a problem for them.

Now they have to move the guns to the destination. They seem to be pretty good at moving things INTO the US, they're likely at least as good at moving things OUT of the US, especially if they can bribe (or blackmail) a customs official in the destination country - again, not a problem for the cartels, the official is also broke and his government can't protect him or his family. Path of least resistance (and probably survival) is to look the other way.

I don't know "the answer" for this, but I'd be curious as to why someone bought ten AR-15s and 10,000 rounds of ammunition. There must be some VERY aggressive deer and prairie dogs in this guys' neighborhood . . .

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida

You should study federal firearms laws before posting.

5030 · Dec 1, 2024

RayIN said:
You should study federal firearms laws before posting.

Touche'

Some people's interpretations of Federal and State firearm laws are interesting.

Williy · Dec 1, 2024

IMHO I do believe that a good gunsmith can take a semi-auto
rifle and convert it to fully auto

willy

Duds13 · Dec 1, 2024

sunandsand said:
Going to be very, very difficult indeed to stem the flow of US-origin firearms to Mexico (and to a slightly lesser extent, to Haiti).

US citizens have the constitutional right to buy firearms and ammunition subject to minimal restrictions - need a background check, wait a few days, show proof of age for ammo, I think California limits the number of firearms you can buy in a certain time period, and the capacity of magazines. All in all, the restrictions are quite minimal. I have no problem with my neighbor who has a seriously huge stash of ammo, and a good friend of mine (very recently deceased, medical issue) had a 20 foot container on his property STUFFED with long guns, which he had been collecting for years.

The reason the cartels and Haitian gangs are able to easily buy US origin firearms is that once I buy a gun, there are essentially no restrictions on how long I have to keep it or who I can sell it to, trade it to, or even give it to.

So the cartel needs a gun, they find a US citizen who has lost his job, is behind on his mortgage/rent/credit cards/car payment or has a medical problem - or all of the above - and they say to him "We'll pay you $XXX to buy us a firearm and we'll pay for it as well." Everything the US buyer does is 100% legal.

Multiply by 10,000 or more . . . a month. Remember, the cartels have LOTS of cash, they pay no taxes, the cost of their product is low and it sells for a lot, and they sell a LOT of it - so paying someone to procure the "tools of the trade" isn't a problem for them.

Now they have to move the guns to the destination. They seem to be pretty good at moving things INTO the US, they're likely at least as good at moving things OUT of the US, especially if they can bribe (or blackmail) a customs official in the destination country - again, not a problem for the cartels, the official is also broke and his government can't protect him or his family. Path of least resistance (and probably survival) is to look the other way.

I don't know "the answer" for this, but I'd be curious as to why someone bought ten AR-15s and 10,000 rounds of ammunition. There must be some VERY aggressive deer and prairie dogs in this guys' neighborhood . . .

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida

I honestly don't think that is how the cartels are sourcing their weapons, and I don't think you can honestly believe that either