Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs?

[Citydude]

I have to ask how the cartels are getting fully automatic firearms. These are not things that we just go and buy at our local gun stores.

The Taliban and gun brokers in Ukraine?

 

[2manyrocks]

I guess they buy FDA approved drugs with lawful prescriptions from the local pharmacy, too.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Sounds like productive talks with Mexico and Canada. I feel like we have seen this before. "THE SKY IS FALLING"

And it never does.

 

[Wobblin-Goblin]

Trump understands deal making and I'm sure he's using the mere threat of tariffs to get Mehico and Snow Mehico to come to the table.

 

[sunandsand]

Going to be very, very difficult indeed to stem the flow of US-origin firearms to Mexico (and to a slightly lesser extent, to Haiti).

US citizens have the constitutional right to buy firearms and ammunition subject to minimal restrictions - need a background check, wait a few days, show proof of age for ammo, I think California limits the number of firearms you can buy in a certain time period, and the capacity of magazines. All in all, the restrictions are quite minimal. I have no problem with my neighbor who has a seriously huge stash of ammo, and a good friend of mine (very recently deceased, medical issue) had a 20 foot container on his property STUFFED with long guns, which he had been collecting for years.

The reason the cartels and Haitian gangs are able to easily buy US origin firearms is that once I buy a gun, there are essentially no restrictions on how long I have to keep it or who I can sell it to, trade it to, or even give it to.

So the cartel needs a gun, they find a US citizen who has lost his job, is behind on his mortgage/rent/credit cards/car payment or has a medical problem - or all of the above - and they say to him "We'll pay you $XXX to buy us a firearm and we'll pay for it as well." Everything the US buyer does is 100% legal.

Multiply by 10,000 or more . . . a month. Remember, the cartels have LOTS of cash, they pay no taxes, the cost of their product is low and it sells for a lot, and they sell a LOT of it - so paying someone to procure the "tools of the trade" isn't a problem for them.

Now they have to move the guns to the destination. They seem to be pretty good at moving things INTO the US, they're likely at least as good at moving things OUT of the US, especially if they can bribe (or blackmail) a customs official in the destination country - again, not a problem for the cartels, the official is also broke and his government can't protect him or his family. Path of least resistance (and probably survival) is to look the other way.

I don't know "the answer" for this, but I'd be curious as to why someone bought ten AR-15s and 10,000 rounds of ammunition. There must be some VERY aggressive deer and prairie dogs in this guys' neighborhood . . .

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida

 

[jyoutz]

Going to be very, very difficult indeed to stem the flow of US-origin firearms to Mexico (and to a slightly lesser extent, to Haiti).

US citizens have the constitutional right to buy firearms and ammunition subject to minimal restrictions - need a background check, wait a few days, show proof of age for ammo, I think California limits the number of firearms you can buy in a certain time period, and the capacity of magazines. All in all, the restrictions are quite minimal. I have no problem with my neighbor who has a seriously huge stash of ammo, and a good friend of mine (very recently deceased, medical issue) had a 20 foot container on his property STUFFED with long guns, which he had been collecting for years.

The reason the cartels and Haitian gangs are able to easily buy US origin firearms is that once I buy a gun, there are essentially no restrictions on how long I have to keep it or who I can sell it to, trade it to, or even give it to.

So the cartel needs a gun, they find a US citizen who has lost his job, is behind on his mortgage/rent/credit cards/car payment or has a medical problem - or all of the above - and they say to him "We'll pay you $XXX to buy us a firearm and we'll pay for it as well." Everything the US buyer does is 100% legal.

Multiply by 10,000 or more . . . a month. Remember, the cartels have LOTS of cash, they pay no taxes, the cost of their product is low and it sells for a lot, and they sell a LOT of it - so paying someone to procure the "tools of the trade" isn't a problem for them.

Now they have to move the guns to the destination. They seem to be pretty good at moving things INTO the US, they're likely at least as good at moving things OUT of the US, especially if they can bribe (or blackmail) a customs official in the destination country - again, not a problem for the cartels, the official is also broke and his government can't protect him or his family. Path of least resistance (and probably survival) is to look the other way.

I don't know "the answer" for this, but I'd be curious as to why someone bought ten AR-15s and 10,000 rounds of ammunition. There must be some VERY aggressive deer and prairie dogs in this guys' neighborhood . . .

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida

What you are overlooking is the cartels have fully automatic weapons, not semiautomatic AR-15s. And those aren’t bought and sold by most Americans.

 

[RayIN]

Going to be very, very difficult indeed to stem the flow of US-origin firearms to Mexico (and to a slightly lesser extent, to Haiti).

US citizens have the constitutional right to buy firearms and ammunition subject to minimal restrictions - need a background check, wait a few days, show proof of age for ammo, I think California limits the number of firearms you can buy in a certain time period, and the capacity of magazines. All in all, the restrictions are quite minimal. I have no problem with my neighbor who has a seriously huge stash of ammo, and a good friend of mine (very recently deceased, medical issue) had a 20 foot container on his property STUFFED with long guns, which he had been collecting for years.

The reason the cartels and Haitian gangs are able to easily buy US origin firearms is that once I buy a gun, there are essentially no restrictions on how long I have to keep it or who I can sell it to, trade it to, or even give it to.

So the cartel needs a gun, they find a US citizen who has lost his job, is behind on his mortgage/rent/credit cards/car payment or has a medical problem - or all of the above - and they say to him "We'll pay you $XXX to buy us a firearm and we'll pay for it as well." Everything the US buyer does is 100% legal.

Multiply by 10,000 or more . . . a month. Remember, the cartels have LOTS of cash, they pay no taxes, the cost of their product is low and it sells for a lot, and they sell a LOT of it - so paying someone to procure the "tools of the trade" isn't a problem for them.

Now they have to move the guns to the destination. They seem to be pretty good at moving things INTO the US, they're likely at least as good at moving things OUT of the US, especially if they can bribe (or blackmail) a customs official in the destination country - again, not a problem for the cartels, the official is also broke and his government can't protect him or his family. Path of least resistance (and probably survival) is to look the other way.

I don't know "the answer" for this, but I'd be curious as to why someone bought ten AR-15s and 10,000 rounds of ammunition. There must be some VERY aggressive deer and prairie dogs in this guys' neighborhood . . .

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida

You should study federal firearms laws before posting.

 

[5030]

You should study federal firearms laws before posting.

Touche'

Some people's interpretations of Federal and State firearm laws are interesting.

 

[Williy]

IMHO I do believe that a good gunsmith can take a semi-auto
rifle and convert it to fully auto

willy

 

[Duds13]

Going to be very, very difficult indeed to stem the flow of US-origin firearms to Mexico (and to a slightly lesser extent, to Haiti).

US citizens have the constitutional right to buy firearms and ammunition subject to minimal restrictions - need a background check, wait a few days, show proof of age for ammo, I think California limits the number of firearms you can buy in a certain time period, and the capacity of magazines. All in all, the restrictions are quite minimal. I have no problem with my neighbor who has a seriously huge stash of ammo, and a good friend of mine (very recently deceased, medical issue) had a 20 foot container on his property STUFFED with long guns, which he had been collecting for years.

The reason the cartels and Haitian gangs are able to easily buy US origin firearms is that once I buy a gun, there are essentially no restrictions on how long I have to keep it or who I can sell it to, trade it to, or even give it to.

So the cartel needs a gun, they find a US citizen who has lost his job, is behind on his mortgage/rent/credit cards/car payment or has a medical problem - or all of the above - and they say to him "We'll pay you $XXX to buy us a firearm and we'll pay for it as well." Everything the US buyer does is 100% legal.

Multiply by 10,000 or more . . . a month. Remember, the cartels have LOTS of cash, they pay no taxes, the cost of their product is low and it sells for a lot, and they sell a LOT of it - so paying someone to procure the "tools of the trade" isn't a problem for them.

Now they have to move the guns to the destination. They seem to be pretty good at moving things INTO the US, they're likely at least as good at moving things OUT of the US, especially if they can bribe (or blackmail) a customs official in the destination country - again, not a problem for the cartels, the official is also broke and his government can't protect him or his family. Path of least resistance (and probably survival) is to look the other way.

I don't know "the answer" for this, but I'd be curious as to why someone bought ten AR-15s and 10,000 rounds of ammunition. There must be some VERY aggressive deer and prairie dogs in this guys' neighborhood . . .

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida

I honestly don't think that is how the cartels are sourcing their weapons, and I don't think you can honestly believe that either

 

[paulsharvey]

I honestly don't think that is how the cartels are sourcing their weapons, and I don't think you can honestly believe that either

Cartels source their weapons from Many sources. It's not a single way. Some portion certainly comes from straw purchases, many from theft, many from US gov Arsenal theft, some from international arms sales, most likely some provided as US Gov aid to allied cartels, many from other sources, such as thefts of other countries military supplies, ect. I also have no doubt that some of their heavier stuff is imported from hot foreign conflicts. I would hazard to guess the biggest source is US Gov aid directly to the cartels.

 

[paulsharvey]

On the tariff topic, for tractors specifically, I don't think it will happen. I think they are scared to Death of BYD and other car makers, and the only reason the US auto makers are in business still, is existing tariffs and other bureaucratic blocks to new makers importing into the US. I know people will say, "I would Never buy a car made in China." Well, except from a few zealots, most people will buy what appears to be the best value for themselves. Your money has no citizenship, and the only group You should owe loyalty is yourself and your family.

With that, as a country, the US Should strive to keep atleast a good number of vehicles manufactered in the US (and I don't think Canada is any better than Thailand or China from that aspect), but as a consumer, I expect everyone to buy with their own interests, not the Feds.

If smart people are paying attention to the world, their biggest fear should be what our "ally" just did, planting explosives in an unknown number of cell phones. You can't tell me that was just in Lebanon. That was just the devices that were triggered, and if our federal government could, they would plant explosives in every device sold, in country and out....

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

You should study federal firearms laws before posting.

Indeed

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

The US Government is the largest source of weapons for Mexican cartels.

Remember Fast and Furious? 2009-2011? Where the US intentionally sold military grade weapons to illegal buyers? Those weapons went on to be used in crimes on the border.

Cartels use military grade weapons, not US consumer grade weapons. Very few sources of military hardware

 

[Fixastuff]

So the cartel needs a gun, they find a US citizen who has lost his job, is behind on his mortgage/rent/credit cards/car payment or has a medical problem - or all of the above - and they say to him "We'll pay you $XXX to buy us a firearm and we'll pay for it as well." Everything the US buyer does is 100% legal.

Everything that US buyer did was 100% illegal.

 

[paulsharvey]

Everything that US buyer did was 100% illegal.

That's the definition of a straw sale.

 

[bvanek]

Sounds like productive talks with Mexico and Canada. I feel like we have seen this before. "THE SKY IS FALLING"

And it never does.

Politics as usual.....transparency is never favorable to government, (especially when promoting a particular agenda)....Enter the so-called news to hand out headlines with intentional divisive rhetoric. It's pretty obvious that this is just a sideline attack on the incoming administration by promoting hyperbolic fodder...looks like it got some attention in this particular thread but quite a bit obscured by bias and speculation.
.....the left dominated news has been doing this for decades, purposely targeted to influence the vulnerable and even promoting agenda failure as success. In turn attempting to drown common sense approaches to solving, not just one issue but several. This is a manifestation of indulgence over time and I am plenty happy that someone is finally addressing the big picture. Whether it raises concerns via a tractor forum means very little at this point. I'll let the smart people figure it out and the knee jerk political side show can keep feeling things out.

add; there is dialog in the news (politically distorted like you said) but getting out in front of this is very promising...Where was it during the last four years? Leading from behind has never served the USA well.

 

[edgarrian]

just so were all aware the current administration left many of former president tariffs in place. The current adminstariton just placed tariffs on 20 billion dollars worth of goods in may of this year. So lets not act like it stopped when the current president took over

 

[square1]

just so were all aware the current administration left many of former president tariffs in place. The current adminstariton just placed tariffs on 20 billion dollars worth of goods in may of this year. So lets not act like it stopped when the current president took over

Been done to death in the "You may love/hate this idea" thread and no one's mind was changed

 

[Hay Dude]

I have to ask how the cartels are getting fully automatic firearms. These are not things that we just go and buy at our local gun stores.

Do you know what a “Glock Switch” is?